Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-21 Thread Scott Calvin
Hi Juan, Without getting too much into detail, the trick is to introduce constraints that seem physically reasonable and see what happens. This requires you to use the "a priori" information you have about your system; i.e. the information you have from non-EXAFS theory or experiment. Mayb

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-21 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi all, Thank you very much Scott for your not slow answer and sorry for my very slow one. I think my system is a little bit complicated. I have bimetallic catalysts (PtSn) and I did fits supposing two different structures but I do not know the relative proportion of these two structures. In th

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-17 Thread Scott Calvin
Hi Juan, Sorry for the slow response; the end of the term gets busy for me! I think there are still some loose ends in this discussion that are worth trying to tie up: At 03:03 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: First of all, I would like to thanks Anatoly for his file and everybody for useful comm

RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-12 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis Hi Anatoly, Sorry very much Anatoly, you are right, I only told you low values for S02 but I did not give any value to you. Which is the minimum reasonable coordiantion number in a fcc structure? Yes, I assumed a fixed value of

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-12 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi Anatoly, Sorry very much Anatoly, you are right, I only told you low values for S02 but I did not give any value to you. Which is the minimum reasonable coordiantion number in a fcc structure? Yes, I assumed a fixed value of 12 for N and I left S02 as variable. I realize that my fault was to

RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-12 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
Antonio Macia Agullo Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:25 PM To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis Hi Matt, Thank you very much for your comments. S02 is a variable for me and it gives information about the size of the particles (related to

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-12 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi Matt, Thank you very much for your comments. S02 is a variable for me and it gives information about the size of the particles (related to coordination number). For instance, in the case of Pt foil it should be close to 0.85, however it is much smaller (0.20) in the case of platinum nanoparti

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-11 Thread Matt Newville
Juan: For S02 from fluorescence measurements or data collected at other times/beamlines, etc, I would ask what purpose this S02 is serving in your analysis. I'd guess that you do "the normal thing" of fixing this value for several paths and then float the coordination numbers so that amp = S

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-11 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi all, First of all, I would like to thanks Anatoly for his file and everybody for useful comments. I have analysed Anatoly's data and I have obtained a good value for S02 = 0.85 or 0.82 (depending on the number of variables used). So, my data is the problem, and it is not my analysis, but maybe

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Bruce Ravel
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:02, Scott Calvin wrote: > P.S. Just as I finished writing this, Matthew > Marcus' post came through. I do have Pt foil data > in transmission that I can dig up for you, if > you'd like. Maybe I'll send it to Matt to put in > the database; it's pretty good quality, as

RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
but why to take chances? Anatoly -Original Message- From: Matthew Marcus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis I imagine somebody has done so and woul

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Scott Calvin
Hi JA, I agree with Anatoly that remeasuring in transmission is a good idea, if you have the beam time. But I would also note that the value you have for S02 with the correction is within the realm of possibility, considering the uncertainty: 1.20 - 0.30 = 0.90. And part of the reason for s

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Matthew Marcus
x27;s not essential. mam - Original Message - From: "Anatoly Frenkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis I would remeasure Pt foil in transmi

RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
I would remeasure Pt foil in transmission, by all means. Anatoly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Juan Antonio Macia Agullo Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:32 PM To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi all, I did fits with self absorption corrected data (Fluo and Booth algorithms) and the value for S02 is 1.20 (0.30). It seems that I am not very lucky, if I take an average value (1.20 and 0.50), it should be ok (0.85) jeje, I am joking. Then...what can I do now? Thank you very much, Best

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Carlo Segre
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló wrote: Ok, how can I apply an "infinite" sample correction? The other samples are measured also in fluorescence mode, then is it better to measure Ptfoil in the same conditions (fluorescence)? The question about applying the correction has been

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Richard Mayes
Juan, There are 2 ways to apply the self-absorption correction in Athena. The first way is to pick thicknesses starting with a couple microns and going thicker and thicker until the correction has no effect. I like this method because it gives an idea of the effects that thickness and conce

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Ok, how can I apply an "infinite" sample correction? The other samples are measured also in fluorescence mode, then is it better to measure Ptfoil in the same conditions (fluorescence)? Thanks a lot Best regards, JA begin:vcard n:Maciá Agulló;Juan Antonio tel;fax:0034-965903454 tel;work:0034-

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Bruce Ravel
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 09:03, Carlo Segre wrote: > It looks like this is fluorescence data.  It is likely that you have > significant self-absorption if this is a Pt foil.  Try to apply an > "infinite" sample correction to this data before fitting.  That should > correct the SO2 somewhat.   I

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Carlo Segre
Hi Juan Antonio: It looks like this is fluorescence data. It is likely that you have significant self-absorption if this is a Pt foil. Try to apply an "infinite" sample correction to this data before fitting. That should correct the SO2 somewhat. A much better thing to do is to take this

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-05 Thread Juan Antonio Maciá Agulló
Hi all, I did a multiple shell fit for platinum foil and the results were similar: S02 = 0.51 and the uncertainty varies from 0.02 to 0.03 depending on the fit. Please find enclosed a file with values of energy, I0 and I of the platinum foil. I include this file if someone has curiosity on raw da

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-04 Thread Matthew
Did you check your data against someone else's? Maybe you have hole effect or overabsorption. mam - Original Message - From: "Scott Calvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [If

Re: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-04 Thread Scott Calvin
Hi Juan, You're saying you have that low a value of S02 for a bulk platinum standard? Anatoly's right...you'd better figure out why before you continue. But one piece of advice I have: for a simple crystalline standard like platinum, by all means fit more than one coordination shell (with c

RE: [Ifeffit] CN and bond distances in Artemis

2006-12-04 Thread Anatoly Frenkel
If you mean that your S02 value for platinum foil is 0.53 instead of the expected 0.85 or so, you have to first find out why that happened. There are too many (for a quick list) setup-related and sample-related reasons that can explain why it happened. You should be careful with your NP data analys