Re: [Ifeffit] Basic questions about the preliminary data processing in Athena

2018-07-22 Thread Robert Gordon

Hi Haifeng,

Here's my take on what you described:

Two sample to be studied at the same edge using the same reference. 
Three scans on A and three on

B are done with simultaneous reference.

First: compare the three reference scans for A. If they agree, then 
compare the data scans. If they also look
similar (i.e. no evidence of changing in the beam), you can merge the 
three data scans
on A right away. If the references don't agree, then you determine by 
how much they differ (how much a correction
would be needed to bring them into alignment) and apply that same 
correction to the data before merging.
It is not meaningful to merge data that is not aligned. (If the sample 
scans show changes from scans 1  to 3,

then you need to rethink how to do the measurements)

Repeat for B.

Now compare the merged (corrected beforehand if necessary) references 
for A and B. If they agree,
you can compare data for A and B (merged) directly. If they do not, 
determine how much one reference
differs from the other and apply that same correction to, say, B, that 
brings its reference into alignment with

A's reference, and then compare A and B

You align the references between samples to the same value in order to 
do a meaningful comparison
between them. If you report energy positions of features in your 
near-edge spectra, the reader

would need to know to what energy those positions are referenced.

When possible, I recommend references that have tabulated edge values 
(i.e. metal foils). A reference
need not be the same edge as the one being studied. For arsenic, as an 
example, the gold L3-edge is
quite close to the As K-edge and serves as a good reference. If not 
possible to use a metal foil, use a
reference that another interested researcher could readily obtain or has 
used. This allows for
comparison of reproducibility. If your reference looks nothing like 
literature, you may have a problem
with the beamline or in how you processed the data. This should be one 
of the first things you

check when you start taking data at the beamlne.

You should also note how the beamline was calibrated when you did the 
measurements.


regards,
Robert

On 2018-07-22 1:21 PM, Haifeng Li wrote:

Dear ALL,

I am a beginner in Athena. Recently I got the spectra and I am 
confusing about the data calibration and alignment. The manual shows 
that calibrate the reference data of one scan and align other 
reference data to that calibrated one.


Here I want to show examples. I have two samples A and B, Each sample 
has three scans with the corresponding reference data. For sample A, 
1st scan is calibrated and the other two scans are aligned to 1st 
scan. Then merge them into merged A. The same procedures for sample B 
and get merged B. If I want to compare XANES of sample A and B, do I 
need to align the merged reference data between A and B? If so, why? 
My understanding is that all scans (original data and merged data) in 
sample A and B are calibrated to standard edge energy. Why do they 
need to align?


I appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Haifeng


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Re: [Ifeffit] Basic questions about the preliminary data processing in Athena

2018-07-22 Thread Carlo Segre



Hello Haifeng:

Personally, I would not calibrate the data but merely align the references 
of A2 and A3 to the reference of A1 and similarly align B2 and B3 
references to that of B1.  Once merged, you can then aligh the 
reference of the merged B samples to that of the merged A samples.


If you keep the references then you can always align data taken at a leter 
time to these data sets.  If the energy of your reference is a small bit 
off from the tabulated value, that is OK as long as all the data being 
compared has aligned references.


Carlo

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018, Haifeng Li wrote:


Dear ALL,

I am a beginner in Athena. Recently I got the spectra and I am confusing
about the data calibration and alignment. The manual shows that calibrate
the reference data of one scan and align other reference data to that
calibrated one.

Here I want to show examples. I have two samples A and B, Each sample has
three scans with the corresponding reference data. For sample A, 1st scan
is calibrated and the other two scans are aligned to 1st scan. Then merge
them into merged A. The same procedures for sample B and get merged B. If I
want to compare XANES of sample A and B, do I need to align the merged
reference data between A and B? If so, why? My understanding is that all
scans (original data and merged data) in sample A and B are calibrated to
standard edge energy. Why do they need to align?

I appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Haifeng



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[Ifeffit] Basic questions about the preliminary data processing in Athena

2018-07-22 Thread Haifeng Li
Dear ALL,

I am a beginner in Athena. Recently I got the spectra and I am confusing
about the data calibration and alignment. The manual shows that calibrate
the reference data of one scan and align other reference data to that
calibrated one.

Here I want to show examples. I have two samples A and B, Each sample has
three scans with the corresponding reference data. For sample A, 1st scan
is calibrated and the other two scans are aligned to 1st scan. Then merge
them into merged A. The same procedures for sample B and get merged B. If I
want to compare XANES of sample A and B, do I need to align the merged
reference data between A and B? If so, why? My understanding is that all
scans (original data and merged data) in sample A and B are calibrated to
standard edge energy. Why do they need to align?

I appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Haifeng
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