Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-23 Thread Jatinkumar Rana
2 Nov 2010 07:13:42 -0800 From: Scott Calvin To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample Message-ID:<5b5040d9-f501-4ba0-8f24-38630b43b...@gmail.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes To my mind, when considering sample pre

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-22 Thread Matt Newville
Hi Edmund, Thanks for that post... I'd never seen the UV-vis literature on this and didn't know what a Ringbom plot was. A google search led to Ramirez-Munoz 1967 (doi:10.1016/0026-265X(67)90042-2) on Atomic-Absorption Photometry, which shows a very nice result that significant distortions don'

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-22 Thread Scott Calvin
On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Jatinkumar Rana wrote: Hi Scott, Sorry for mixing up the things. For the case, when i have very limited amount of sample that i can not cover 1sq.cm area, you, Matt and others have given very very clear explanation about possible solutions and the probable effect

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-22 Thread Scott Calvin
To my mind, when considering sample preparation the important thing is not so much the "right" thickness, as knowing the effects to guard against as the thickness deviates toward the thin or thick side. As transmission samples become thicker, the problem of "unwanted" photons becomes more s

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-22 Thread Jatinkumar Rana
atinkumar Rana To:ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample Message-ID:<4ce8f809.3040...@helmholtz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 20.11.2010 19:00,ifeffit-requ...@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov wrote: Send Ifeffit mailing list

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-22 Thread Welter, Edmund
Dear Jatin, the optimum mued of 2.x is not just derived by simple photon counting statistics. As Matt pointed out, for transmission measurements at a synchrotron beamline in conventional scanning mode this is seldom a matter. Nevertheless, one should avoid to measure subtle changes of absorpt

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-21 Thread Scott Calvin
On Nov 21, 2010, at 2:45 AM, Jatinkumar Rana wrote: Hi Scott, Yes I have assumed the sample cross section area to be 1 sq. cm. and then calculated the amount of sample required for that. What i planned is following : I would calculate the amount of sample required for 1sq.cm area, take th

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-21 Thread Jatinkumar Rana
FS Analysis using Ifeffit Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi Jatin, Matt covered most of what I would say, but I'll add a few comments of my own. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusi

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-19 Thread Frenkel, Anatoly
That's probably how they discovered graphene, by trying to make exafs sample. Anatoly Sent from my mobile phone, please forgive typos. -Original message- From: Scott Calvin To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 18:30:37 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Transmi

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-19 Thread Scott Calvin
Hi Jatin, Matt covered most of what I would say, but I'll add a few comments of my own. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that you have only a few percent of what you need--you must be assuming a sample area somehow. I have frequently made transmission measurements on samples

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-19 Thread Matt Newville
Dear Jatin, The idea that the optimum absorption length (mu*t) for transmission experiments is 2.3 assumes that the errors in the measurement are due to counting statistics of the x-rays. For any synchrotron experiment, the number of x-rays in the transmission chamber is high enough that the nois

Re: [Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-19 Thread Dr. Dariusz A. ZajÄ…c
Hi Jatin from my modest experience the problem comes with the noise from detectors (typically from ionisation chambers- before and after sample). When the sample is too thick than signal/noise ratio becomes smaller, that means you are limited in k space. I have measured liquid samples with edg

[Ifeffit] Transmission EXAFS sample

2010-11-19 Thread Jatinkumar Rana
Dear all, I have very basic question about the sample preparation for EXAFS. It is well understood and proven by several researchers that the optimum amount of sample (per unit area) required for EXAFS is determined by the fact that the total absorbtion of the entire sample above the absorptio