Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-10-04 Thread Al Poulin

Bill:

First of all, it seems that your older Intel iMac came with Tiger
10.4.4 and therefore may not boot from Panther.  I'm not sure about
that.  And your later Intel iMac would have come with a later OS X.

Presumably, your friend's G4 eMac does not have OS 9 installed, the OS
9 drivers are not installed, and whatever version of OS X is on it
does not have Classic on board.  If it is running Panther or Tiger,
your friend's original installer disk(s) should have Classic
available.  But you may not wish to impact that machine's software
configuration, unless the owner is kind of techie and offers to do so.

As I mentioned in another list on this topic, you could try to Find
someone locally with an Mac running O9 or Classic.  If available,
that would be the easiest thing to do.  But your next best alternative
is indeed something like what you propose here.  You may need to use a
second external FW drive if you do not want to erase your backup files
on the drive at hand.  The likely issue is that your current backup
drive may be using the GUID file system if you set it up with an Intel
Mac.  The G4 eMac will boot only from a drive formatted with the APM
(Apple Partition Map) and not from a drive with the GUID Partition
Table (GPT).  With Leopard (and likely Snow Leopard), you can find a
setting in Disk Utility to format in APM.

On Oct 2, 1:03 pm, Bill Spencer wspen...@jhu.edu wrote:
 After doing as much research as I have time for I'm thinking that I
 can get the printer's IP address if I 1) install OS 9 and Panther on
 the external FW drive I use for backups (I have disc images of 9 and
 its updates, and install discs for Panther), 2) boot from there in
 Panther (since I understand that I can't boot either iMac in 9 since
 they're Intel machines), 3) launch Classic, and then 4) fire up the
 Apple Printer Utility (or whatever it's called). That drive's about
 85% empty right now so space isn't an issue, but I'm wondering about a
 couple of things:

 A) Can I partition this drive without deleting what's already there?

Yes you can with Snow Leopard.  As always, you should back it up
first, because there is always the risk of destroying access to the
onboard files.  But if already formatted with GUID, that stops the
show.

 B) Would I need separate partitions for OS 9 and Panther?

No.

 C) Is creating OS partition(s) even necessary? I probably wouldn't
 keep the OS stuff there long-term since I have no need for Classic,
 let alone 9, except for this (I hope) one-time issue.

No.  But if that drive is GUID, it will not boot the G4.

 D) Would there be any reason to install OS 9 alone, then cart the
 drive and the printer to a friend's house who has a G4 eMac which
 could run 9 by itself? I'd rather not have to horse the stuff around
 but if the main strategy is flawed I can certainly do so.

If you format a drive in APM, there is no reason to install Panther.
I propose you bring an external drive to the G4, format it in APM,
install OS 9, and then do your printer business.

 E) Can I install 9 from the images or would I have to burn discs and
 install from those?

This is analogous to installing from a .dmg download.  You should be
able to mount the disk image and install the software.  You should be
able to do all this without impacting the friend's G4 configuration
except possibly for temporary use of his Desktop.  I'm not sure that
installing OS 9 directly from the disk(s) to the external drive will
work.  You may have to first copy the image to the Desktop.

 If there's anything I'm missing or forgetting, please give me a whack
 on the head. As always my thanks in advance!

Barring any clarifying comments from other folks on this list, any
remaining questions involving the G4 would be best taken up on the
lowendmac G-List (G3-5 List).  You may have lost some of this list's
audience with the printer theme of the original topic.

Good Luck,
Al Poulin


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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-10-03 Thread Bill Spencer



On Oct 2, 1:43 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:



  I knew I forgot something. I find the Apple downloads page very hard
  to use when you're trying to find old, outdated stuff like the Apple
  Printer Utility. Could someone please point me to where to find it?

 Go to Apple.com  Support  Support Downloads, then Older Downloads  
 down on the lower left hand side of that page.

 Here's a direct link:

 http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312?viewlocale=en_US

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Excellent, many thanks, Bruce, as usual. If anyone has answers or
thoughts on my other questions I'd appreciate it and maybe even report
success in my quest, and then finally leave y'all alone for a while.
Bill
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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-10-02 Thread Bill Spencer

After doing as much research as I have time for I'm thinking that I
can get the printer's IP address if I 1) install OS 9 and Panther on
the external FW drive I use for backups (I have disc images of 9 and
its updates, and install discs for Panther), 2) boot from there in
Panther (since I understand that I can't boot either iMac in 9 since
they're Intel machines), 3) launch Classic, and then 4) fire up the
Apple Printer Utility (or whatever it's called). That drive's about
85% empty right now so space isn't an issue, but I'm wondering about a
couple of things:

A) Can I partition this drive without deleting what's already there?

B) Would I need separate partitions for OS 9 and Panther?

C) Is creating OS partition(s) even necessary? I probably wouldn't
keep the OS stuff there long-term since I have no need for Classic,
let alone 9, except for this (I hope) one-time issue.

D) Would there be any reason to install OS 9 alone, then cart the
drive and the printer to a friend's house who has a G4 eMac which
could run 9 by itself? I'd rather not have to horse the stuff around
but if the main strategy is flawed I can certainly do so.

E) Can I install 9 from the images or would I have to burn discs and
install from those?

If there's anything I'm missing or forgetting, please give me a whack
on the head. As always my thanks in advance!

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-10-02 Thread Bill Spencer



On Oct 2, 1:03 pm, Bill Spencer wspen...@jhu.edu wrote:
 After doing as much research as I have time for I'm thinking that I
 can get the printer's IP address if I 1) install OS 9 and Panther on
 the external FW drive I use for backups (I have disc images of 9 and
 its updates, and install discs for Panther), 2) boot from there in
 Panther (since I understand that I can't boot either iMac in 9 since
 they're Intel machines), 3) launch Classic, and then 4) fire up the
 Apple Printer Utility (or whatever it's called). That drive's about
 85% empty right now so space isn't an issue, but I'm wondering about a
 couple of things:

 A) Can I partition this drive without deleting what's already there?

 B) Would I need separate partitions for OS 9 and Panther?

 C) Is creating OS partition(s) even necessary? I probably wouldn't
 keep the OS stuff there long-term since I have no need for Classic,
 let alone 9, except for this (I hope) one-time issue.

 D) Would there be any reason to install OS 9 alone, then cart the
 drive and the printer to a friend's house who has a G4 eMac which
 could run 9 by itself? I'd rather not have to horse the stuff around
 but if the main strategy is flawed I can certainly do so.

 E) Can I install 9 from the images or would I have to burn discs and
 install from those?

I knew I forgot something. I find the Apple downloads page very hard
to use when you're trying to find old, outdated stuff like the Apple
Printer Utility. Could someone please point me to where to find it?


 If there's anything I'm missing or forgetting, please give me a whack
 on the head. As always my thanks in advance!

 ***

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 IMac Core Duo 2.4 ghz/1 g RAM/Snow Leopard
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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-10-02 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:

 I knew I forgot something. I find the Apple downloads page very hard
 to use when you're trying to find old, outdated stuff like the Apple
 Printer Utility. Could someone please point me to where to find it?


Go to Apple.com  Support  Support Downloads, then Older Downloads  
down on the lower left hand side of that page.

Here's a direct link:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312?viewlocale=en_US

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Lenington

Bill Spencer wrote:
 On Sep 13, 1:13 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 wrote:
   
 Snip
 Okay, thanks, and sorry to have gotten mixed up. I'm still a bit mixed-
 up, unfortunately, since the (minimal) two-iMac network I have is all
 from an AirPort Express whose only Ethernet port is being used to
 connect it to the cable-modem. Do I have to get a second router into
 the loop?
Option 1 ask isp if they have a cable modem w/ built in router. What 
brand is your current modem?
option 2 install a used (or new) router (I have 15 +/- routers if you 
can't find one locally)

  I tried that once before some years back and couldn't get
 everything to talk to everything else...something about the order of
 what was wired to where, before the wireless part kicked in. 
We can help set up router.
 Sorry to
 be dense about this stuff. Bill


   
Well I (must be dense) don't like wireless (security) so I turn it off 
on my modems.

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-16 Thread Christian Wacker

 And a related question: assuming I get a router and connect the 12/640
 to it via ethernet, are there any issues with using an ethernet cable
 that's 15 feet long or maybe even a bit more? (Something else I'd have
 to buy.) That's about how far apart the router and the printer would
 be.
Now there's a question I CAN answer =)
Anything under 100 feet will do you well in the mysteies of the
Ethernet cable. (I think it can be up to 135 feet, but memory fails me
when it is something i haven't learned yet)
from personal expierence, i've used an 80 foot cable to connect the
printer I had to the router in another part of the house, since I
didn't want a second router, and that way the printer was next to the
door, where I could always see what papers I might forget whilst
leaving for school.
Hope that helps some.
-Christian (Pizzaboy192)

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-14 Thread gladys pérez-almiroty
well, it plays with mine, but since i upgraded i have become  
acquainted with the beach ball in ways i would rather forget. it is so  
bad that i an seriously considering going back to tiger! i have tried  
all i can think: permissions before and after installation, disk  
warrior before installation, reinstallation, 10.6.1,pram,  but still  
it is so slow i start up and leave the room for 10-15 minutes and  
still hasn't finished booting. anithing i trie to do is so painfully  
slow that i am not having fun any more with my computer.
on the positive side: i can print!
thanks for any ideas
gladys


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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Spencer

On Sep 13, 1:13 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:

   I actually have
  an old G3 iBook that would work perfectly as a print server (thanks
  Bruce, as usual),

 No, you misunderstand.

 The printer *itself* will work as a print server. It has an ethernet  
 port and connects directly to the network; and I KNOW they support lpd  
 (The manual has detailed directions on using it with Unix clients), so  
 no Appletalk is needed.

 Put  it on the network, give it a fixed IP address, and just point  
 your Macs to it to print.

 To do this you'll need a local area network set ; if your Mac is  
 connected directly to the cable/dsl box you'll need to get a cable  
 router or wireless access point with multiple ethernet connections on  
 the back.

 Print a self-test page to find out the Ethernet id: of the printer

 Connect the printer via ethernet cable to the router, and get into the  
 router's manual to find how to set the printer up with a fixed IP  
 address. Usually this requires setting the router to know a certain  
 Ethernet ID (or MAC address) is always set to get the same IP address  
 form the server. I haven't messed with an old laserwriter in years,  
 you MAY need to tell it to get it's IP address via DHCP; see the  
 printer manual.

 http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/printers/03...
  

 Once this is done, go into your Mac, get into Printer setup and choose  
 IP in the 'Add Printer' dialog.Enetr the IP address assigned to the  
 printer and choose the appropriate driver.

 Voila'...Printing on an old printer with Snow Leopard.

 --
 Bruce Johnson

 Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai,  PhD

Okay, thanks, and sorry to have gotten mixed up. I'm still a bit mixed-
up, unfortunately, since the (minimal) two-iMac network I have is all
from an AirPort Express whose only Ethernet port is being used to
connect it to the cable-modem. Do I have to get a second router into
the loop? I tried that once before some years back and couldn't get
everything to talk to everything else...something about the order of
what was wired to where, before the wireless part kicked in. Sorry to
be dense about this stuff. Bill
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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-14 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:

 Okay, thanks, and sorry to have gotten mixed up. I'm still a bit  
 mixed-
 up, unfortunately, since the (minimal) two-iMac network I have is all
 from an AirPort Express whose only Ethernet port is being used to
 connect it to the cable-modem. Do I have to get a second router into
 the loop?


Well, bleah. This would require replacing the AE with another wifi  
router, this time with some ethernet ports.

This is why I seriously dislike AE's as a sole wifi routing solution.  
A regular Apple Base Station (after the very first ones),  Linksys, D- 
link or Netgear router gives you the option of having a mixed- 
transport network; the AE was really designed for two things:  
extending an existing wifi network or being a portable wifi network.

I have this one at home http://tinyurl.com/lkx5mj and it's proven  
quite reliable for my little home network (1 wired Mac, a network  
accessible hard drive, a wired Laserjet and two wireless Macs.)

WiFI is one place where you definitely don't have to stick to Apple  
equipment. Everyone has a built-in web-based router configuration  
which works with anything that can connect and run a web browser, so  
there's no configuration issues with them.

Alternatively you can find something like one of the first five things  
on this page:

http://tinyurl.com/ppx6cj

They're devices that connect anything with an ethernet port to  Wifi  
network. We have used these several times in the past to connect  
networkable printers to the Wifi network. I tested one by putting my  
Powerbook 540C onto the Wireless network.

They will work out-of-the-box to unsecured networks, plug it in, it  
finds it and you're good, or you can connect a computer to them (via  
ethernet) and configure them via the built-in web server. Then plug in  
your printer and go.

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis B. Swaney

  On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:
 
 Okay, thanks, and sorry to have gotten mixed up. I'm still a bit  
 mixed-
 up, unfortunately, since the (minimal) two-iMac network I have is all
 from an AirPort Express whose only Ethernet port is being used to
 connect it to the cable-modem. Do I have to get a second router into
 the loop?

Just use another AirPort Express to extend your network. The Ethernet 
port on the AE can serve as a WAN or LAN port. In this case you'd be 
using the second AE's port as a LAN port when you connect the Cat 5 
cable from it to your printer.


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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rowson
I've done this successfully at home quite well. I've got an Airport Extreme
(not the dual band one) with 3 Airport Express base stations (got them NEW
from eBay for about $45 bucks each)
I've got 2 of them acting as a bridge for my DIrecTV HDDVR units. DirecTV
will allow you free on-demand programming IF you have either wireless or
wired networking. Well, they will either sell you a kit or allow you to use
a compatible router (essentially one with a free Ethernet port). In comes
the AE (I just like the form factor and the price was right) and problem
solved. Plus, it also has the dual function of extending my Aiport Extreme
signal through our house (2 story home)

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Dennis B. Swaney ro...@aol.com wrote:


  On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:
 
  Okay, thanks, and sorry to have gotten mixed up. I'm still a bit
  mixed-
  up, unfortunately, since the (minimal) two-iMac network I have is all
  from an AirPort Express whose only Ethernet port is being used to
  connect it to the cable-modem. Do I have to get a second router into
  the loop?

 Just use another AirPort Express to extend your network. The Ethernet
 port on the AE can serve as a WAN or LAN port. In this case you'd be
 using the second AE's port as a LAN port when you connect the Cat 5
 cable from it to your printer.


 --
 Sincerely,
 Dennis B. Swaney

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-13 Thread Bill Spencer

On Sep 12, 9:35 am, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sep 11, 9:33 pm, Bill Spencer wspen...@jhu.edu wrote:



  Never mind, I just found out about USB-to-parallel cables, so that
  should do the trick...right? Bill

 That may put you part way there.  Cables deal with hardware issues.
 It seems your problem is also with the lack of an updated software
 driver.  I googled laserwriter Snow Leopard.  Find your printer
 here:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669#apple

 Also, check out the other hits on the same google search.  Hope this
 helps.

 Al Poulin

Many thanks, Al...the driver is actually there in SL according to
Apple, but then again I am hearing rumors that not all parallel-to-USB
cables are created equal. Anyone have any suggestions for cable brands
or models to look at (or avoid)? What I really am hoping for is the
simplest, cheapest, and most space-neutral solution. I actually have
an old G3 iBook that would work perfectly as a print server (thanks
Bruce, as usual), but alas I unintentionally murdered the motherboard
last spring, and the cost of getting someone who knows what they're
doing to replace same is astronomical. Maybe I can stick a new one in
myself, I dunno...something else to research in my copious free time.

Thanks! Bill
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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-13 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:

  I actually have
 an old G3 iBook that would work perfectly as a print server (thanks
 Bruce, as usual),

No, you misunderstand.

The printer *itself* will work as a print server. It has an ethernet  
port and connects directly to the network; and I KNOW they support lpd  
(The manual has detailed directions on using it with Unix clients), so  
no Appletalk is needed.

Put  it on the network, give it a fixed IP address, and just point  
your Macs to it to print.

To do this you'll need a local area network set ; if your Mac is  
connected directly to the cable/dsl box you'll need to get a cable  
router or wireless access point with multiple ethernet connections on  
the back.

Print a self-test page to find out the Ethernet id: of the printer

Connect the printer via ethernet cable to the router, and get into the  
router's manual to find how to set the printer up with a fixed IP  
address. Usually this requires setting the router to know a certain  
Ethernet ID (or MAC address) is always set to get the same IP address  
form the server. I haven't messed with an old laserwriter in years,  
you MAY need to tell it to get it's IP address via DHCP; see the  
printer manual.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/printers/0307414ALW12640PSSU.PDF
 
 


Once this is done, go into your Mac, get into Printer setup and choose  
IP in the 'Add Printer' dialog.Enetr the IP address assigned to the  
printer and choose the appropriate driver.

Voila'...Printing on an old printer with Snow Leopard.

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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-13 Thread Al Poulin

On Sep 13, 1:13 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Bill Spencer wrote:

 The printer *itself* will work as a print server. It has an ethernet  
 port and connects directly to the network; and I KNOW they support lpd  
 (The manual has detailed directions on using it with Unix clients), so  
 no Appletalk is needed.

 Put  it on the network, give it a fixed IP address, and just point  
 your Macs to it to print.

Also along this ethernet and IP address line, this article has
instructions that may help.
http://www.macworld.com/article/142631/2009/09/snowleopard_printing.html?lsrc=nl_mwweek_h_cbstories

Al Poulin
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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-12 Thread Al Poulin

On Sep 11, 9:33 pm, Bill Spencer wspen...@jhu.edu wrote:

 Never mind, I just found out about USB-to-parallel cables, so that
 should do the trick...right? Bill

That may put you part way there.  Cables deal with hardware issues.
It seems your problem is also with the lack of an updated software
driver.  I googled laserwriter Snow Leopard.  Find your printer
here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669#apple

Also, check out the other hits on the same google search.  Hope this
helps.

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Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-11 Thread William Spencer
Hi there: So it looks like Snow Leopard has eaten my dear old  
LaserWriter 12/640 PS. It seems Apple has dropped AppleTalk as of  
10.6...so, am I really out of luck? Or do I have to go back to 10.4 or  
10.5? Or is there a way to get them all to play nicely together short  
of asking me to become a gear-head coder? Wh!!

*ahem*

As always my thanks in advance!

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Bill Spencer in Maryland
IMac Core Duo 2.4 ghz/1 g RAM/Snow Leopard
IMac Core Duo 1.83 ghz/1 g RAM/Snow Leopard


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Re: Snow Leopard won't play with my printer...

2009-09-11 Thread Bill Spencer

On Sep 11, 8:41 pm, William Spencer wspen...@jhu.edu wrote:
 Hi there: So it looks like Snow Leopard has eaten my dear old  
 LaserWriter 12/640 PS. It seems Apple has dropped AppleTalk as of  
 10.6...so, am I really out of luck? Or do I have to go back to 10.4 or  
 10.5? Or is there a way to get them all to play nicely together short  
 of asking me to become a gear-head coder? Wh!!

 *ahem*

 As always my thanks in advance!

 ***

 Bill Spencer in Maryland
 IMac Core Duo 2.4 ghz/1 g RAM/Snow Leopard
 IMac Core Duo 1.83 ghz/1 g RAM/Snow Leopard

Never mind, I just found out about USB-to-parallel cables, so that
should do the trick...right? Bill
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