Re: [Imports] Dutch addresses and buildings import - how to deal with addresses in apartments
@Jo
I'm the developer of the plug-ins we use for the Dutch BAG import. These
plug-ins are still in development and currently only available to a
selected group of test users. With this group of 8 people, we are
testing and improving the plug-ins. On the 8th of march, we'll give a
workshop and introduce the plug-in to a larger group of interested
people.
This is the main reason that the plug-in is not yet in the JOSM's
plug-in list.
The reason that we remove the 3dshapes building outlines in most cases
instead of replacing the geometries, is that in most cases there is no 1
on 1 match between 3dshapes buildings and BAG buildings.
The 3dshapes 'buildings' are in most cases building blocks which will be
replaced by a group of bag buildings. For buildings that can be replaced
1 on 1 and that do have any history, we do use the replace geometry
option.
Here is a link for the buildings WMS you can use in Josm:
http://geodata.nationaalgeoregister.nl/bagviewer/wms?SERVICE=WMSFORMAT=image/pngVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=pandSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
I'm not aware of any WMS layer containing address data. This makes sense
as a WMS layer can only show one address at a certain point, hiding all
other addresses at the same point.
You can use the bagviewer to lookup individual addresses:
http://bagviewer.geodan.nl
Gertjan Idema
It's a bit inconvenient that plugins that are needed, don't show up in
JOSM's plugin list. So I was stuck right away.
That didn't stop me from reading on. What struck me as odd, is that
the instructions say to remove the building outlines that came from
3dshapes. I know they're not worth all that much, but it seems to me
the history ought to be preserved by using replace geometry on them.
I finally created a Polyglot_Import account to help out with the
Uganda borders. Now it seems I would have to create another
Polyglot_BAG account, if I choose to take the many hurdles. I decided
to let the goblet pass...
(I know this requirement doesn't come from you, but you could make it
easier for an occasional importer like myself by providing the
necessary plugins in JOSM itself)
I want to do a street here and there, not whole villages and city
parts. The information I'm missing at the moment are the house
numbers. In Flanders we have a WMS layer we can consult to add them
manually. Is there something like that in the Netherlands?
Cheers,
Jo
2014-01-28 23:31 GMT+01:00 Johan C osm...@gmail.com:
Hi all
last November the Dutch addresses and buildings import has
been discussed on this list. Since then alpha testing has been
done in December by two people and after a new years meeting
seven members of the Dutch OpenStreetMap community are
currently beta testing a JOSM plugin which is performing the
preprocessing (conversion of the original BAG database into
the agreed tagging, simplifying building outlines and
eliminating about 99% of the crossing buildings errors) and
which is capable of loading data into JOSM by selecting a
polygon. Early March we hope to roll it out and get as much as
possible local knowledge in for importing, in order to
increase the number of active mappers in The Netherlands.
Some days ago Paul checked a testimport and stumbled across
the JOSM validator warning 'Nodes at same position'. An
example can be seen
here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.01284mlon=4.33806#map=19/52.01284/4.33806
The Vermeertoren (named after the famous Dutch painter) is a
typical Dutch high rise building of 23 floors, combining an
underground parking garage, a health care center, a child care
center (kindergarten), social and luxury housing. That means a
lot of addresses in one building. The address data as
available in the official database (the BAG) combines several
different addresses into a single LAT/LON coordinate. The WIKI
on multiple addresses
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses is not very clear
on this situation:
Buildings with multiple house numbers
Ambox warning pn.svg There is currently no consensus on this.
This matter has not been addressed in the November proposal,
since I was not aware of it at the time. But given the WIKI we
later decided that our import method would be okay. Biggest
problems are that JOSM displays a warning (Nodes at same
position) and that the display of addresses on Mapnik is not
very nice. Perhaps the proposal as being made on this
page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses would
give a better solution. Then
[Imports] Dutch addresses and buildings import - how to deal with addresses in apartments
Hi all last November the Dutch addresses and buildings import has been discussed on this list. Since then alpha testing has been done in December by two people and after a new years meeting seven members of the Dutch OpenStreetMap community are currently beta testing a JOSM plugin which is performing the preprocessing (conversion of the original BAG database into the agreed tagging, simplifying building outlines and eliminating about 99% of the crossing buildings errors) and which is capable of loading data into JOSM by selecting a polygon. Early March we hope to roll it out and get as much as possible local knowledge in for importing, in order to increase the number of active mappers in The Netherlands. Some days ago Paul checked a testimport and stumbled across the JOSM validator warning 'Nodes at same position'. An example can be seen here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.01284mlon=4.33806#map=19/52.01284/4.33806 The Vermeertoren (named after the famous Dutch painter) is a typical Dutch high rise building of 23 floors, combining an underground parking garage, a health care center, a child care center (kindergarten), social and luxury housing. That means a lot of addresses in one building. The address data as available in the official database (the BAG) combines several different addresses into a single LAT/LON coordinate. The WIKI on multiple addresses http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses is not very clear on this situation: Buildings with multiple house numbers [image: Ambox warning pn.svg]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg There is currently no consensus on this. This matter has not been addressed in the November proposal, since I was not aware of it at the time. But given the WIKI we later decided that our import method would be okay. Biggest problems are that JOSM displays a warning (Nodes at same position) and that the display of addresses on Mapnik is not very nice. Perhaps the proposal as being made on this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresseshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses) would give a better solution. Then again, the Dutch community does not feel that the chosen solution is wrong. These addresses can be found in Nominatim and anyone using a Geofabrik extract will have correct addresses for any purpose (like routing). Please share your thoughts on this. If you don't agree with the Dutch community, then please also share the problem you have with the chosen solution. Cheers, Johan ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Dutch addresses and buildings import - how to deal with addresses in apartments
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: This matter has not been addressed in the November proposal, since I was not aware of it at the time. But given the WIKI we later decided that our import method would be okay. Biggest problems are that JOSM displays a warning (Nodes at same position) and that the display of addresses on Mapnik is not very nice. Perhaps the proposal as being made on this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresseshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses) would give a better solution. Then again, the Dutch community does not feel that the chosen solution is wrong. These addresses can be found in Nominatim and anyone using a Geofabrik extract will have correct addresses for any purpose (like routing). Mapnik rendering of addresses isn't very pretty, especially when every address is shown. If I knew how to create map styles, I'd drop addresses. Addresses are nice for routing but they do not need to be displayed. The JOSM warning is a pain. If the building has multiple front doors, then ideally the address node would be positioned above the door. I can't say that I've ever run across a multistory building like you described with so many unique addresses. I've seen commercial buildings with separate entrances with unique addresses, but that can easily mapped. I'm curious about what the addresses in Vermeertoren look like. -- Clifford @osm_seattle OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
Re: [Imports] Dutch addresses and buildings import - how to deal with addresses in apartments
As a preface, I should state that no decision has been made to import multiple addresses on top of each other, as this is the first time it's been raised. Imports need to not screw up the data, which includes not making it excessively difficult to edit in iD and Potlatch2. None of the editors handle overlapping nodes well. It's possible in JOSM if you know exactly how, but it's a pain. I'm not positive about iD or P2, but I couldn't figure it out. Given the current state of editor support, I don't see any way that an import of stacked nodes like this will be okay. From: Johan C [mailto:osm...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:32 PM To: imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Imports] Dutch addresses and buildings import - how to deal with addresses in apartments Hi all Some days ago Paul checked a testimport and stumbled across the JOSM validator warning 'Nodes at same position'. An example can be seen here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.01284 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.01284mlon=4.33806#map=19/52.01284/4. 33806 mlon=4.33806#map=19/52.01284/4.33806 The Vermeertoren (named after the famous Dutch painter) is a typical Dutch high rise building of 23 floors, combining an underground parking garage, a health care center, a child care center (kindergarten), social and luxury housing. That means a lot of addresses in one building. The address data as available in the official database (the BAG) combines several different addresses into a single LAT/LON coordinate. The WIKI on multiple addresses ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
