Dear Anurag Ji, You may like to check http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/18088312#page/204/mode/1up.
I am fed up with non-availability of correct info on *Abutilon* or many other genera, yet I am trying to ID a plant to species level....!!! I fully subscribe your view, "If only there was a definitive key that bore absolutely no ambiguity." Sorry, dear, I am really sorry. Thank you Regards surajit On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> wrote: > Will do sir. ill get back to you on this. > > Thank you. > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < > surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you very much Anurag Ji, I can see 23 clear mericarps in that pic. >> It means *A. indicum* (L.) Sweet can have more than 20 mericarps! >> >> But, it doesn't mean that your species is *A. indicum*. >> >> Because, there are differences. One is hair on seed. Second is the >> tip/beak of mericarp is not that curved and pointed as in usual *A. >> indicum*. >> >> So, your species may be some other. But, not *A hirtum* or *A. pannosum* I >> think. >> >> Surprisingly, we do not have records of *Abutilon bidentatum* Hochst. ex >> A. Rich. in our database. FoP has description >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071390>, >> FBI very little. Can you retrieve more from somewhere? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The number of mericarps in that photo seem to be just over 20, as in >>> mine sir. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:14 PM, surajit koley < >>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Anurag Ji, >>>> >>>> I request you to count the number of mericarps in Dinesh Ji's >>>> photograph https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/6257781510 in >>>> the thread >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/1E9XV3RBkZI/LdC_s8ZY-0oJ. >>>> I think the species in that thread is *A. indicum*. >>>> >>>> I am sad that my knowledge is so little. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much sir, I too had the doubt about the hair at the >>>>> hilum. >>>>> If only there was a definitive key that bore absolutely no ambiguity. >>>>> >>>>> I will take this as Abutilon indicum. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:59 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One my request, concerning *Abutilon* in another thread >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/7XzMvXm-4B4J>, >>>>>> has not been addressed yet, leave aside met, yet I have received this >>>>>> mail, >>>>>> perhaps to express my view on it, view of a minnow, Huh! >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Dinesh Ji's view. I do not think it is or the one in >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/wzOrPt8dSyA/1h3CqyUe0xUJ is >>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also do not think this is *Abutilon hirtum*. >>>>>> >>>>>> Except the hairs at hilum, which I fail to explain for want of >>>>>> literature, I think it is probably *Abutilon indicum* G. Don, where >>>>>> number >>>>>> of carpels can be 20 or more >>>>>> <http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/731298#page/224/mode/1up>. Yes, >>>>>> I read that FoP records, in *A. hirtum*, seed with minute shinning >>>>>> stellate hairs, more so at hilum. At the same time FoC records seeds in >>>>>> *A. >>>>>> indicum* are sparsely stellate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anurag, this will not be A. pannosum, and not A.hirtum too. >>>>>>> The links you provided yesterday were helpful to know about pannosum >>>>>>> & hirtum. >>>>>>> Putting them here for quick reference: >>>>>>> *Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG> >>>>>>> | description >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>> | picture >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg> >>>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG> >>>>>>> | description >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>> To me your posted plant is *A. indicum*. >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> The number of mericarps (25+) and their acute tips, and emarginate >>>>>>> petals are pointing to *Abutilon hirtum*. The indumentum is >>>>>>> supposed to have viscid hairs, please check. >>>>>>> Vijay >>>>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>>>> Here is a close up of the stem. Would you say there are viscid hair >>>>>>> or only dense simple hair? >>>>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>>>> Thanks Anurag, it looks like viscid but I cannot tell for sure >>>>>>> from the picture. When viscid glandular hairs present, it will be >>>>>>> 'sticky' >>>>>>> to touch. >>>>>>> Vijay >>>>>>> It was clicked a long time back and the stem close up is something >>>>>>> I failed to click at the time! >>>>>>> If not A. hirtum, what else could it be sir? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nice pictures esp number 8 >>>>>>> that makes it seem that it may have been sticky... >>>>>>> like some fruits of some basil do and some plectranthus do... that >>>>>>> slight dewy smallest "droplets" and they will also collect dirt.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most likely Abutilon indicum.- from Chauhan ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> efi pages on Abutilon indicum >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-indicum> >>>>>>> & >>>>>>> Abutilon hirtum >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-hirtum> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: 27 February 2015 at 00:16 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216971] ANFEB39 Abutilon pannosum (please >>>>>>> validate) >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Family: Malvaceae >>>>>>> Date: November 2014 >>>>>>> Place: Bangalore Rural >>>>>>> Reference: >>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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