That's the spirit, Surajit yes lets put it as Ayastasia complex, and be done with it, in the meantime I have written to Narandra ji may be my earlier message was not prominent
lets see usha di On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:51 AM, surajit koley < surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am relaxed Didi, I only object to your view over my dependence on old > lit. I agree old is old,,,,, I agree net is half truth, but what can I do? > If I had other flora I would had refer that. If I had BSI I would had > dumped all old lit. Our group is not able to even provide some simple info > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tTBo8k_1Tww/XRLy9E-ocGYJ>. > Yet I am spending hours to find zero-error ID of certain complicated taxa > across genera. So little resources, so little info on uploaded plant, so > complicated and jumbled up info in net & lit .... yet I am trying > continuously to prove that only my suggestion is correct! I am angry with > myself Didi, none other. Sometimes I think now enough is enough, this is > not the proper way, nothing can be done this way, unnecessarily giving > birth to misunderstanding, arguments, hurting ego...etc. > > Yes, let it be *Asystasia* complex only. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Ushadi Micromini < > microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> SUrajit >> No you definitely did not do any thing wrong, >> >> did i say that? >> >> your reporting is just that .. honest mirroring of what you find >> >> why would any one say that's wrong? why would I ? >> >> >> i only pointed out that too much reliance on the net (which is in its >> infancy yet, the information is still not very mature and too many egos >> involve across the oceans that many things donot get resolved...) or the >> old old literature is to be taken with some idea that things change... >> >> >> I belong to a way of thinking ... that if a disease has not been >> described fully , at least it falls between the cracks where it has no >> feature 100 percent falling in place with hitherto described pathology... >> may be we are dealing whit something new or variant or ... >> and lets name it ourselves and let the stuff fall where it may ... after >> a few more examples // cases // patients and reporting it may find a place >> in newer order of things... and a newer classification would be written... >> >> progress >> >> may be your questioning these Ayastasia falls in that category... who >> knows... >> >> *so relax* >> >> lets see what develops in next couple of years... now that many many >> people have digital cameras and there are forums like ours ...many more in >> smaller way... there may be a resolution of your question yet... >> >> >> and it only a weedy flower... so dont loose your peace over it >> >> its not earth shaking anticancer or anti parkinson's or anti polio drug >> discovery or a new regulatory T cells that can save the transplanted kidney >> or the heart from rejection... tight id control and criteria are needed >> there ... not in some weed... >> enough already >> >> goodnite >> >> usha di >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:29 PM, surajit koley < >> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Didi, >>> >>> I also have my own threads, several, where Gurcharan Sir discussed the >>> TPL issue. >>> >>> Yes, species identified in FBI, across families, later have been >>> corrected many a times. Recently we saw that in solanaceae fortnight. >>> I know one can't depend much on old, outdated things. I know it gives >>> the basic. >>> >>> When I try to ID a plant I search for available labelled/identified >>> images. The problem arises when I find very similar looking images having >>> different ID tags. The matter complicates when I find the identification >>> had been made/suggested/done by our veteran respected seniors, senior means >>> I am telling about membership, in this group. >>> >>> In that case I can only provide what I find in present days' internet, >>> and also in century old lit. I only copy what I find. Just as I copied in >>> this thread "But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in >>> Singapore, Java". In the following mail I only stated - "But, there are >>> problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find >>> enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent >>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. >>> *Asystasia >>> intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in >>> http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. >>> There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not have >>> any info." >>> >>> I do not think I did anything wrong to state the above. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Surajit >>>> one thing at a time >>>> >>>> this group is to get flowers pictures from all possible >>>> site/geographical in india and may even be abroad ... in pictures and id >>>> them >>>> >>>> statistics etc must be provided by people at BSI whose purview it is to >>>> do the research and provide data.. >>>> >>>> most of us are not botanists though we /I would love to get citations >>>> and properly identified and acknowledged copyrighted material... but >>>> changes happen slowly. >>>> >>>> For definite id ... you may be right the century old books like FBI >>>> may be a solid way to go..to start with , to use as a base, but ... but >>>> things change, plants change >>>> people change >>>> >>>> >>>> look at our own history... we changed from homo erectus to homo >>>> sapiens may be??? >>>> if someone was taking pictures then and writing FBI like books 100,000 >>>> years ago ...they would have had a hard time fixing our diagnosis from old >>>> literature about homo erectus .. when they found features of homo sapiens >>>> creeping in... >>>> and neanderthals and ancestors of modern homo sapiens migrating... into >>>> areas where they were not supposed to be... >>>> >>>> your use and dependence on FBI is something like that ... often >>>> confusion esp in sites or presence// absence that you raise ... may be FBI >>>> is best for the description of the species they identified then... but >>>> their incidence and presence or absence of XY or Z does not mean anything >>>> to me... it only means that they did not see any XY or Z then or nobody >>>> reported them then or they (XY or Z) really migrated to present positions >>>> in recent times... >>>> >>>> and that just as we as a group have our own limitations, the FBI guys >>>> had their own limitations... >>>> >>>> I hope I have explained my position >>>> >>>> And Gurcharanji raisies issues of mis-id even with plant list people >>>> etc look up some old thread where he has talked of that, may be it was >>>> before you joined >>>> >>>> be well >>>> >>>> usha di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:18 PM, surajit koley < >>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Didi, we have so many highest ranks, in this group, dedicated to >>>>> our flora world. >>>>> Yet we have so many mis-identifications which in turns lead to further >>>>> mis-id. >>>>> Just check >>>>> http://www.fao.org/ag/agp/AGPC/doc/gallery/pictures/asysint/asysint.htm >>>>> against >>>>> FoI. >>>>> I prefer to depend on century old lit than to depend on websites, >>>>> unless those are Govt. or Edu. or related. Even then sites need to be >>>>> updated regularly which cannot be ascertain only by browsing. Govt., Edu, >>>>> Org, are all people like us. >>>>> What about our eFI, Garg Sir's project? Majority members do not even >>>>> bother to maintain author citations. Very few are willing to use >>>>> statistics. You yourself have raised the issues in several threads. >>>>> Do you think this is the way to science? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Surajit >>>>>> not finding much or any info about plants in india in this century or >>>>>> recently is one reason why Dinesh Gargji Satish Phadke et al and some >>>>>> others may be even Neil Soare joined together to start this google >>>>>> group... >>>>>> I think there is a thread or two somewhere about the history of this >>>>>> group, may be DInesh or Satish phadke remembers and can track it.. >>>>>> >>>>>> for many years before that on the net there were pictures by JM Garg >>>>>> if I searche d for anything related to trees etc in Kolkata or india at >>>>>> the wiki... all those pictures were from OWN WORK JM GARG... >>>>>> so imaginre my delight when I discovered this group made by JM >>>>>> Garg.ad >>>>>> >>>>>> Also with the same objective Tabish and Thingam started the flowers >>>>>> of India site >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> hence the presence though growing and large now yet in its infancy >>>>>> and the professors and folks at BSI and all those botanical gardens >>>>>> in India sit on a treasure trove yet do not write up show pics etc on >>>>>> the >>>>>> net... >>>>>> continuing the paucity, making it more pronounced... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence we treasure people like Balkar Nidhgan Dr Sabu Ritesh Pankaj >>>>>> and Gurcharanji who are in the academics studying/teaching botany and >>>>>> yet >>>>>> give this site so much of their time... >>>>>> >>>>>> usha di >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Didi, >>>>>>> I agree with you. FBI is more than century old. But, there are >>>>>>> problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find >>>>>>> enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent >>>>>>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI >>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. >>>>>>> *Asystasia intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in >>>>>>> http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. >>>>>>> There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not >>>>>>> have any info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The most important is that this thread doesn't tell me yet if the >>>>>>> posted plant is wild or cultivated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> when was the fbi vol published? SUrajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> old i know >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> much movement in plants and animals since then >>>>>>>> no reason why we cant see any of those plants in peninsular India >>>>>>>> or the Himalayas and gangetic plains , as far as I can see >>>>>>>> what with mass movements of people and animals planes ship etc and >>>>>>>> monsoon currents of the oceans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wont go with FBI of old publication as gospel truth for at least >>>>>>>> distributionof plants, if i were you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:14 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please check for *Asystasia*, one such has been identified as - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - https://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Asystasia_intrusa.htm >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/shubhada_nikharge/4326685851/ >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/cgi-bin/dol/dol_terminal.pl?taxon_name=Asystasia_intrusa&rank=binomial >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in Singapore, >>>>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:00 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruellia >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/ruellia> >>>>>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>>>>>>>> available) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 24 March 2015 at 18:03 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219036] Acanthaceae Fortnight:: Ruellia >>>>>>>>>> Sp ?? for ID-NSJ-MAR-29 >>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ruellia sp for ID. 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