OK. Thought it may be of interest to some the information provided to me by Ray Stephenson ofthe UK SEDUM SOCIETY: Rhodiola were considered by Linnaeus to be separate from Sedum as the only species then known had singl-sex flowers.Only as new species were discovered t have relatively typical Sedum flowers did many taxonomists follow Scopoli (1771)to place them all in Sedum - despite the fact all Rhodiola known at the time were herbaceous and some species hadsunken ovaries (partially below the line of petals). In recent times the Linnaean classification has been more widely accepted due to DNA studies (especially Ohba) showingRhodiola quite removed from Sedum proper. Telephium ws always a subgenus of Sedum (herbaceous + attenuate or stipitate carpels). Unfortunately as the nameTelephium or a genus had been used illegally by Hill (1756), a ne generic name was needed. This led to Hylotelephium -which is much closer to Orostachys,Sinocrassula, Rhodiola, Phedimus and Pseudosedum thanto Sedum proper. Let us see what the decision is following the review....
Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> To: "chrischadwell...@btinternet.com" <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 12:15 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:253542] Re: Sedum ewersii ABOCT2016/07 Thanks, Chadwell ji,We can not reply on The Plant List Ver. 1.1 where data is shown as being taken from WCSP (in review) as it is still under review. This is the case here at The Plant List Ver. 1.1 link (The record derives from WCSP (in review) (data supplied on 2012-03-23 ) which reports it as a synonym with original publication details: Bot. Mag. (Tokyo) 90: 50 1977.) On 13 October 2016 at 02:39, chrischadwell...@btinternet.com <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> wrote: Yes, this is Sedum ewersii but I'm afraid there have been major taxonomic and nomenclatural changes in Crassulaceae. Many higher mountainSedums are now within the genus Rhodiola whilst this is now Hylotelephium ewersii (ledeb.) H.Ohba - except I see this is not an accepted namewithin 'The Plant List', so must check this out. It was the name used by Dickore & Klimes in their checklist of Ladakh flora. Stewart knew it as S.ewersii - a very common rock crevice plant, chiefly in the temperate zone @ 1000, mostly 1500-4500m. It grows on the Rohtang Pass and Iknow it from Ladakh. Collet did not find it at Shimla but higher at Matiana and Narkunda. 'Flowers of Lahaul-Spiti' record it (as Hylotelephium) as common on rocks & boulders. I see there is Hylotelephium pakistanicum (G.R.Sarwar) G.R.Sarwar as an accepted name - this does not gives H.ewersii as a synonym but when google images is clicked various photos of the latter species appear along with a line drawing of it! In FOP H.pakistanicum is separated on the basis of being glandular-hairy (and some other minor characteristics). Would need to check this further to see if such a separation is justified at species level? See: https://sites.google.com/site/ efloraofindia/species/a---l/ cl/crassulaceae/hylotelephium/ sedum-ewersii On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:38:47 AM UTC+1, ashwini wrote: A friend sent me this yesterday. He found this above Triund on his way to Ilaqa at about 3200m. I think this is Sedum ewersii. Please advise. Sedum ewersiiTriund-Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP3200m08-09 October 2016 Thanks.Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout. -- With regards, J.M.Garg'Creating awareness of IndianFlora & Fauna'Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. For identification,learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ joinour EfloraofindiaGoogle e-group (largestin the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) orEfloraofindia website (with a species database of more than11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.Also author of 'APhotoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.