Thanks, Chris ji. Earlier it was GRIN, which was supposed to be very good, but it did gave only a few synonyms. Things changed with the coming of The Plant List in 2012, which I think was further modified in 2014 with Ver. 1.1, to reduce the anomalies. But it is based on *fixed datasets *taken from different sources like WCSP, ILDIS, GCC etc. However, there are still lot of discrepancies. Now Catalogue of Life <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/89cbce241349f1bd7d3fbdc652a99f09> has been released in 2016, which I find is generally better than the The Plant List Ver. 1.1. Pl. see its details at http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/info/about Along with the resources as above, we can also check in different efloras & local floras etc. & take a final decision.
On 19 October 2016 at 20:05, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> wrote: > OK. > > Thought it may be of interest to some the information provided to me by > Ray Stephenson of > the UK SEDUM SOCIETY: > > *Rhodiola* were considered by Linnaeus to be separate from *Sedum *as the > only species then known had singl-sex flowers. > Only as new species were discovered t have relatively typical *Sedum* > flowers did many taxonomists follow Scopoli (1771) > to place them all in *Sedum* - despite the fact all *Rhodiola* known at > the time were herbaceous and some species had > sunken ovaries (partially below the line of petals). > > In recent times the Linnaean classification has been more widely accepted > due to DNA studies (especially Ohba) showing > *Rhodiola* quite removed from *Sedum* proper. > > *Telephium* ws always a subgenus of *Sedum* (herbaceous + attenuate or > stipitate carpels). Unfortunately as the name > *Telephium* or a genus had been used illegally by Hill (1756), a ne > generic name was needed. This led to *Hylotelephium* - > which is much closer to *Orostachys*,*Sinocrassula*, *Rhodiola*, > *Phedimus* and *Pseudosedum* thanto *Sedum* proper. > > *Let us see what the decision is following the review....* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > *To:* "chrischadwell...@btinternet.com" <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> > *Cc:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; Ashwini Bhatia < > ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 12:15 > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:253542] Re: Sedum ewersii ABOCT2016/07 > > Thanks, Chadwell ji, > We can not reply on The Plant List Ver. 1.1 where data is shown as being > taken from WCSP (in review) <http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/about/#wcsir> > as it is still under review. > > This is the case here at The Plant List Ver. 1.1 link > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2856971> (The record > derives from WCSP (in review) > <http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/about/#wcsir> (data supplied on > 2012-03-23 ) which reports it as a synonym > <http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/about/#synonym> with original > publication details: Bot. Mag. (Tokyo) 90: 50 1977.) > > On 13 October 2016 at 02:39, chrischadwell...@btinternet.com < > chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Yes, this is *Sedum ewersii* but I'm afraid there have been major > taxonomic and nomenclatural changes in Crassulaceae. Many higher mountain > Sedums are now within the genus *Rhodiola* whilst this is now *Hylotelephium > ewersii (ledeb.) H.Ohba* - except I see this is not an accepted name > within 'The Plant List', so must check this out. It was the name used by > Dickore & Klimes in their checklist of Ladakh flora. > > Stewart knew it as *S.ewersii* - a very common rock crevice plant, > chiefly in the temperate zone @ 1000, mostly 1500-4500m. It grows on the > Rohtang Pass and I > know it from Ladakh. > > Collet did not find it at Shimla but higher at Matiana and Narkunda. > > 'Flowers of Lahaul-Spiti' record it (as Hylotelephium) as common on rocks > & boulders. > > *I see there is **Hylotelephium* *pakistanicum* (G.R.Sarwar) G.R.Sarwar > as an accepted name - this does not gives *H.ewersii* as a synonym but > when google images is clicked various photos of the latter species appear > along with a line drawing of it! In FOP *H.pakistanicum* is separated > on the basis of being glandular-hairy (and some other minor > characteristics). Would need to check this further to see if such a > separation is justified at species level? > > See: https://sites.google.com/site/ efloraofindia/species/a---l/ > cl/crassulaceae/hylotelephium/ sedum-ewersii > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/crassulaceae/hylotelephium/sedum-ewersii> > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:38:47 AM UTC+1, ashwini wrote: > > A friend sent me this yesterday. He found this above Triund on his way to > Ilaqa at about 3200m. I think this is *Sedum ewersii*. Please advise. > > *Sedum ewersii* > Triund-Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP > 3200m > 08-09 October 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com > <indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout> > . > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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