Dear Mr Oudhia,

This issue I have addressed is a matter of life and death. This advice is
the considered view of the medical authorities of the Government of India.

In this age of science and education, I completely disagree with you. I
simply do not believe what you say. I ask all readers of efloraindia to
consider very carefully before going around following your advice. I really
cannot believe that you are taking such a stand on a life and death issue.
You risk killing people by delaying or preventing them from getting medical
help in case of snakebite.

Dear readers of EFlora,

In case of snake-bite I strongly urge you to follow the advice of the
protocol which has been formulated by the WHO and Tamil Nadu State Govt Anti
Snakebite Group and accepted by Central Govt as part of National Snakebite
Management Protocol of 2007.

I have provided documentary support for my statements in the form of full
text links to official documents.

I could say that till the moment Mr Oudhia shows me a Central Govt of India
(Ministry of Health) recommendation that this traditional doctor is bonafide
I will not change my mind. But I wont use that crutch. I oppose Mr Oudhia's
recommendation in principle.

My education has taught me logic and reason. My education tells me what is
right and wrong. It is right of me to propogate the National Snakebite
Management Protocol. It is wrong for me to agree with Mr Oudhia's
uncorroborated tale of traditional healing of snake-bite.

Snake bite is deadly and fast-acting. It is not an upset stomach or a skin
disease where I would not mind referring to alternate healing practices. It
must and should be treated at the earliest with modern medical practices
with anti-venin should the attending doctor feel the need. I do not know of
Mr Oudhia's personal experience but there are many reasons why every bite is
not fatal. As the RIGHT Protocol already mentions :

*R.* =     Reassure the patient. Seventy per cent of all snakebites are from
non-venomous species. Only 50% of bites by venomous species actually
envenomate the patient.

It is very sad that a person supposedly of Mr Oudhia's qualifications and
despite his supposedly being "a man of science" that he is providing
inappropriate advice in such a matter of life and death.

Dear Moderator,

Mr Oudhia has challenged my statements with uncorroborated, unsupported
assertions (self-publication or newspaper articles do not constitute
evidence). Only peer-reviewed scientific articles provide it.

This can easily become a long slinging match on an off-topic subject in
eflorindia. I will not debate with Mr Oudhia. He has given his view and I
have given mine. It is the job of the reader of eflorindia to not believe me
or Mr Oudhia blindly, but to examine our arguments and decide for himself.

This is the last post of mine on this issue in this forum. I will not
respond

Let the reader decide for himself that if his child is bitten by a Cobra in
Raipur whether he will seek proper medical aid with anti-venin or go to a
Jadi-buti doctor recommended by Mr Oudhia. If his child is saved by
traditional herbs, I will be the happiest person in the world,  but I do not
believe that this will happen in case a venomous snake has actually
envenomated the child.  But if by following Mr Oudhia's advice, he loses his
child by delaying proper medical treatment, then he is himself at fault and
responsible for causing the death of his own child. And Mr Oudhia will be
responsible too.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com>wrote:

> "Dont even consider the old tourniquet thing, cut and suck, ice-therapy,
> the PIM method or *"Jadi-buti" treatment*."
>
> Dear Ashwin ji, please don't make wrong statements. This rishipanchami
> please visit to Chhattisgarh to meet Shri Ganesh who have saved thousands of
> lives with the help of Jadi-buti. He is traditional snake expert. Over 300
> follwers are practicing traditional healing under him. He has treated tens
> of cases when government hospitals clearly said that there is no hope. For
> treatment his charge is mere one rupee and a coconut. Hundreds of snake
> experts are giving such services in Chhattisgarh and thousands in different
> parts of India.
>
> http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork1.html
>
> By making such statments we are insulting thousands of bare foot doctors
> working in villages far from modern medical facilities.
>
> Pankaj Oudhia
>
> **If you want to know the quantum of work one can do without funds, please
> visit
>
> http://www.pankajoudhia.com
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone truly interested in snakes is careful and considerate while
>> handling these elegant creatures. Handling of snakes is to be avoided in
>> general, and if necessary, is to be done for the right reasons such as
>> rescuing them, for educating people, for captive breeding or conservation.
>> It is never meant to be done to enhance one's own reputation. Here is an
>> interesting photograph - an acquaintance of mine is touching what he thought
>> is a "Python <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_molurus>". Except, that
>> its an extremely lethal Russell's Viper<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daboia>
>> .....
>>
>>  Earlier we used to be worried only about the  "Big Four" - the four
>> highly venomous snakes in the Indian country-side considered to be
>> responsible for the majority of deaths due to snake-bite . But there are
>> many others too, such as .......
>>
>>  As far as anti-venin is concerned, there is an added complication.
>> Recent taxonomic studies using genome mapping have revealed that the Big
>> Four snakes in India (except the Russel's Viper) are not one species but
>> actually comprise more than one species. The *Saw-scaled Viper* in the
>> Deccan plateau is *Echis carinatus** *while the saw-scaled viper found in
>> Rajasthan and North-west India is.....
>>
>>  If you or an acquaintance is bitten by a snake, what should be done?
>>
>> First of all do not neglect it, even if you think or know the snake is
>> non-poisonous, even if the skin does not appear to be broken.  Dont even
>> consider the old tourniquet thing, cut and suck, ice-therapy, the PIM method
>> or "Jadi-buti" treatment. Get to medical aid as soon as possible. While
>> moving a snake-bite casualty to hospital, do it RIGHT by following the the
>> latest national first aid treatment recommended - based around the mnemonic
>> : “Do it R.I.G.H.T.”  which consists of ....
>> * *
>>
>>   Read about this in...
>>
>>  "Handle that snake carefully!" in The Butterfly Diaries
>>
>>  http://thebutterflydiaries.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/snake-handling/
>>
>>
>>  Warm regards,
>>
>> *Ashwin Baindur*
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Col Ashwin Baindur
>> OIC Corps Archive & Museum, CME, Dapodi Pune 411031
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Tel : *020-27147976* (R), Mob : *09923454462*
>> Email: *ashwin.baindur(at)gmail.com, ashwin_baindur(at)yahoo.com*
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