Is the species posted by Narendra Joshi Ji is *Saussurea bracteata/ S. shultzii* ?
DSRawat Pantnagar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr D.S. Rawat Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home> displaying wild flora of Pantnagar On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you Mr. Garg. Finally ID is resolved! Now we have to separate two sp. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:24 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> After going through the specimens in GBIF >> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&taxon_key=9576936> from >> India, I think it is Saussurea bracteata (Pl. ignore the specimens of S >> schultzii shown here in GBIF): >> https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2620000459 >> https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2873912368 >> >> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1539372%3AMICH-V-1539372%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg >> >> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1539387%3AMICH-V-1539387%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg >> *Saussurea nana* (Pamp.) Pamp. >> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:242472-1> >> is >> treated as a syn. of *Saussurea bracteata *DC. by POWO >> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:242115-1> >> (They >> have wrongly shown specimen of S schultzii here). >> Also matches the description as given in the book link sent by Tabish ji >> and Saroj ji (I think from FBI). >> >> Specimens of S schultzii from India look different as per GBIF >> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&taxon_key=5404606>: >> >> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1539366%3AMICH-V-1539366%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg >> >> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1444240236496zVd9dnPkf7ZrLca3 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 18:22, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This specimen looks like S schultzii according to the book of Klimes and >>> Dickore. >>> Some links they have merged but POWO, Klimes and Dickore book and >>> listing , >>> IPNI and BHL treats them separately. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:30 PM D.S Rawat <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000891799 >>>> >>>> Saussurea bracteata specimen in Kew Herbarium >>>> >>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Nov, 2020, 5:27 pm Saroj Kasaju, <kasajusa...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Re: Saussurea bracteata >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/yg9ImvP4yTE/m/3XZA5wn0AgAJ> >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 3:04 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Looks different from images at Saussurea bracteata >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/saussurea/saussurea-bracteata> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 15:51, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Saussurea bracteata Decne. ?? >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 at 20:48 >>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar >>>>>>> Yatra::Saussurea inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Cc: D.S Rawat <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com>, < >>>>>>> chrischadwell...@btinternet.com>, Narendra Joshi < >>>>>>> narend...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting Saussurea species. A trans-Himalayan one as I suppose. >>>>>>> S. inversa is not known in Uttarakhand. >>>>>>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a new 'species' for me but I am doubtful it is *S.inversa* >>>>>>> on the basis of the image taken in Paddar Valley named as such on the >>>>>>> FOI >>>>>>> site see: >>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Inverse%20Snow%20Lotus.html >>>>>>> which is presumably where the provisional name came from matching with? >>>>>>> Not recorded from Ladakh or known in Stewart's day (assuming it is >>>>>>> found in >>>>>>> W.Himalaya). Not in 'Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal'. Many >>>>>>> 'new' species have been described in the Himalaya in recent decades - a >>>>>>> complicated genus (like so many). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for existing species, there is much confusion between >>>>>>> *S.simpsoniana* and *S.gossypiphora* in the W.Himalaya. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As two of our members named the image on the FOI site they are in a >>>>>>> much better position to comment further, especially as I do not >>>>>>> recognise >>>>>>> these images or the one from the Paddar Valley but the images do not >>>>>>> come >>>>>>> close to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just noticed that an article on Research Gate, see: >>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272383552_The_genus_Saussurea_Compositae_Cardueae_in_China_Taxonomic_and_nomenclatural_notes >>>>>>> states that *S.sorocephala* var. glabrata is raised to specific >>>>>>> rank as *S.inversa*. Stewart had *S.sorocephala* Schrenk as a >>>>>>> synonym of *S.gnaphalodes* (which is common in Laadkh); he thought >>>>>>> this variety seemed to be the same as *S.hypsipeta* Diels (yet does >>>>>>> not list this species in his Catalogue) and probably should be >>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> only to be a glabrate form. *Saussurea hypsipeta* is listed by >>>>>>> Dickore & Klimes from Ladakh - there is an excellent image of it by our >>>>>>> member Miroslav: >>>>>>> http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/fotky/flora/subnival_eng.html. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clearly, Miroslav may be able to comment in a more informed way than >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> --- from Chris Chadwell ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To me it appears close to *Saussurea glacialis* Herder >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/saussurea/saussurea-glacialis> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> per image herein. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: 6 October 2016 at 22:48 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:253131] Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra::Saussurea >>>>>>> inversa NSJ-OCT 16/11 >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saussurea inversa for validation. Photo taken just after crossing >>>>>>> Lipulekh pass (China border) on Aug 27, 2016. 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