Tabish ji
Further to above I have been able to lay hands on identification key given
by Walters in 1908 in his monograph for Asian species:
Carpels,7-(9- 10) ,free to their base; 3-5ft tall ;Ea Asian spp.
Stamens 10-16; perianth uniformly light green………………P. latbenia
(Buch.-Ham.) H . Walt.
Stamens(7 -)8(-9)
Pedicels and infl axis almost glabrous; perianth normally white;
anthers rose . . . . ……... P. esculenta VanHout te
Pedicels and infl axis scabrid-glandular perianth greenish white to
pinkish; anthers white . . . . . . P. acinosa Roxb
If you have a look at four different kind of specimens, no character is
stable. Eflora link plant identified has most greenish flowers (supposed to
be a character of P. acinosa), mine appear greenish-white, those of Nayan ji
much more whiter and those of FOI with creamish tinge. Please also note that
this monograph treats P. esculenta and P. acinosa as distinct, but all
modern treatments including Eflora of China treat former as simple synonym
of P. acinosa.
It is best solution to treat them as synonyms of one Asian species with
free carpels P. acinosa.
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tabish ji
> Here is something more on this
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> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gcIJ6VdD-xUC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=taxonomic+status+of+P.+latbenia&source=bl&ots=mlSUwuvGNb&sig=DEgVPm5PLyoem1gipfAa4GSIDsE&hl=en&ei=aK9vTKjEMYXSuQP09ulB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gcIJ6VdD-xUC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=taxonomic+status+of+P.+latbenia&source=bl&ots=mlSUwuvGNb&sig=DEgVPm5PLyoem1gipfAa4GSIDsE&hl=en&ei=aK9vTKjEMYXSuQP09ulB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Tabish ji
>> I hope you missed my mail to Nalini ji in which I had discussed Himalayan
>> plant and the European plant uploaded by Nalini. Our plant has much narrower
>> leaves, rarely broader than 10 cm and inflorescence much dense, whereas
>> specimens of P. acinosa are much broader often as broad as 30 cm and almost
>> ellpic-ovate in shape. It was why our plant was treated as P. latbenia
>> Walters by Flora of Pakistan (1971 publication) but more recent treatments
>> "enumeration of Flowering plants of Nepal" (1978-84), and Flowers of
>> Himalyas (1984) consider it inclusive of P. acinosa.
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>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200007011
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>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200007011>
>> --
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
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>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Dear Gurcharan ji,
>>> I am having doubts about this being Phytolacca acinosa, mainly
>>> because the flower-spikes look too densely-flowered for Phytolacca
>>> acinosa. See the illustration and image here:
>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=51021&flora_id=2
>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=52603&flora_id=2
>>> What we found in Uttaranchal, and believe to be P. acinosa, is also
>>> not as densely flowered:
>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Indian%20Pokeweed.html
>>> I am, for the moment, overlooking the fact that the leaves of your
>>> plant do not look long-pointed.
>>> Nayan's plant does look like Phytolacca acinosa to me too.
>>> The other species I am aware of, Phytolacca octandra, also doesn't
>>> agree with your pictures.
>>> Your comments are solcited.
>>> - Tabish
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 4:02 pm, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Thanks Gurcharan ji for nice pictures. My Guru Dr.Guha of Raipur was
>>> using
>>> > it as Homoeo-medicine in treatment of breast cancer with much success.
>>> >
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> > Pankaj Oudhia
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Phytolacca acinosa from Kashmir, common at altitudes above 2000 m in
>>> grazed
>>> > > areas, roadsides. Photographed from Pahalgam on June 20, 2010.
>>> >
>>> > > Common names:
>>> > > English:India pokeweed, Indian poke, Sweet belladona
>>> > > Chinese: Shaug lu
>>> > > Hindi: Matazor, Sarangum
>>> > > Kashmir: Lubar sag
>>> > > Punjab: Lubar, Rinsag
>>> > > Kamaon: Jarak, Jirrag
>>> > > Assam: Jaiong
>>> >
>>> > > Young leaves and twigs cooked as vegetable, but should be carefully
>>> used as
>>> > > plant can be easily mistaken with Atropa belladona whose consumption
>>> can
>>> > > causeserious food poisoning (plants of Phytolacca are taller with
>>> larger and
>>> > > broader leaves; inflorescence totally different; narcotic, but effect
>>> > > destroyed on boiling; roots and leaves are often mixed in
>>> consignments of
>>> > > Atropa accidently/unknowingly or purposely.
>>> >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> > > Retired Associate Professor
>>> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
>>> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/
>>> >
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