Thank you......I am EXTREMELY /ACUTELY aware of this.
Sadly on a cruise the landing may be just 2 hours..time is precious.
I want to see as much as possible..the landscape, scenery, the birds  as 
well as the new to me plants.
I never have the luxury  of spending 10 mins recording each plant...nor do 
I ever carry a note book.
My tiny point and shoot Canon Ixus  camera is all I ever use.

I have been VERY fortunate to visit several very remote places and know I 
will never get a 2nd chance to revisit.
Even if I did the chance of finding the plant again is remote.
Which is why I try to be very observant and to take images to aid with id 
later.
I call it my homework...I take it very seriously. 
I hate to misname any of my pictures.
Sometimes I take more pics but they are out of focus and have to be 
deleted..everything is a rush on these magical holidays.

I am very aware of taking images to show  details . to aid with id....such 
as alternate v opposite leaves/flowers./fruits/bark..any other features 
that back in UK will help me to add an accurate name.
If plants are vines I take pics of tendrils or twisted stems.
To my very best recollection this was a free standing shrub/young tree.

My 5 images above I feel are not too bad. ..
they show alternate leaves,  the shape of the leaves, the length of the 
stalks, the veins, the leaf texture above and below,  the fruits, the stem 
, the glands.
I thought this would be so easy to get an instant id. 
Many identifications can be done from a lot less.

At home it is easy..if I need more pics I can pop back to have a closer 
look.

I am at heart a gardener with a passion for plants.
I try to add to my knowledge on my travels.
I do not profess to be a botanist...which is why I love forums where people 
far cleverer than me give freely of their time to assist.
In turn I can often help other with identifications.
Every day is a school day!

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:44:33 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote:

> I say again, please remember that this genus has lianas too. That's why I 
> always say take multiple pics from multiple angles, like Saroj sir. In 
> botany please do not take it for granted that you will get a second chance 
> to visit the plant to take pictures once again, especially when you are 
> travelling.
> Best of luck.
> Pankaj
>
> On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 08:37, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Sheila ji
>>
>> --
>> With regards,
>> J. M. Garg
>>
>> On Wed, 25 May, 2022, 3:17 am Plantaholic Sheila., <plantaho...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So sorry.
>>> Not had a chance to search this.
>>> Found image on www of Byttneria parviflora..with square stem!!!!
>>> Still checking.
>>> Looks hopeful.
>>>
>>> https://ecuador.inaturalist.org/taxa/801735-Byttneria-parviflora
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:01:40 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look closely!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I find the fruits of  
>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw>Byttneria
>>>>>  
>>>>> to be a little different 
>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw>
>>>>> . 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:11, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Sheila ji
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:03, Plantaholic Sheila. <
>>>>>> plantaho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Pankaj Kumar
>>>>>>> 6:01 AM (2 hours ago) 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to JM Garg, efloraofindia, Plantaholic Sheila.
>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the 
>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa.
>>>>>>> Pankaj
>>>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Dr Pankaj Kumar...this is a new plant to me i will do more 
>>>>>>> research.
>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:31:27 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: *Pankaj Kumar* <sahani...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY 
>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS
>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <itp...@googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber?
>>>>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your interest and for asking.
>>>>>>>> My memory of it was as a shrub.young tree.
>>>>>>>> It showed no sign of being a climber..no tendrils/no signs of 
>>>>>>>> twisting branches.
>>>>>>>> Had it done that i am positive I would have taken a picture of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:01:32 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the 
>>>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa.
>>>>>>>>> Pankaj
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY 
>>>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS
>>>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <itp...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 08:33, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <plantaho...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 May, 2022, 3:11 am
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16822] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY 
>>>>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS
>>>>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pic 3 seems to have some sort of gland in the axil of the leaves.
>>>>>>>>>>> Does this lead  to any further clues?
>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen something slightly similar in  Aleurites 
>>>>>>>>>>> molaccana where 2 *glands* at the junction of the leaf base and 
>>>>>>>>>>> petiole secrete a sweetish sap
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-33-14.JPG][image: 
>>>>>>>>>>> ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-30-56.JPG]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:13:53 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheila. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote... I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis 
>>>>>>>>>>>> capitata*) ... but I think I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh
>>>>>>>>>>>> ................................................................
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate all help. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyptis is in Lamiaceae.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought we had established that it cannot be in this..see 
>>>>>>>>>>>> several posts above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This mystery plant was not a soft herbaceous plant.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a shrub/tree .....with strong woody square stems.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The round balls of seeds were quite large as were the leaves.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies that there is nothing to give my pics a scale.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so sure it would be easy to id I only took these pics
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:09:21 AM UTC+1 Dinesh Valke 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis capitata*) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... but I think I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 12:23 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any confirmed ideas about the family or genus?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <plantaho...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 21:18
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:415866] MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022...SS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 001 04-04-2019 10-48-58.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-49-05.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-49-10.JPG][image: 001 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 04-04-2019 10-49-36.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-50-01.JPG][image: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 001 04-04-2019 10-50-05.JPG]My humble apologies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been so long since I posted here I have forgotten what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw this shrub on Isla de la Plata. Ecuador.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of Machalilla National Park.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4th April 2019...just 6 pics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried since than to id it...with no joy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please may I seek the assistance of the world wide experts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that help here to id this very distinctive plant. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. China
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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