Thank you Usha di for explaining at length,
I was unaware of this simple and easy way of sharing links rather than the
whole write up . You may come across this in many of initial posts. I
request members to pardon me for that. It was out of sheer ignorance. The
intention was to share what I know with other members. I have adopted this
method of sharing links after I learned about it in my subsequent posts.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Ushadi micromini <microminipho...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Googling... i found within a minute or less that you copy pasted this
> whole write up from this one link...
>
> http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Rhaphidophora%20tetraspema%20pc.html
> but you did not mention it...
>
> its a must ....  ethics of copyright makes it mandatory to provide a
> complete citation of the origin if one uses even a part of their write
> up...
>
> ...
> my suggestion to you is read a lot, make notes and then synthesize the
> info...
> and even then give the links... the multiple links for people's
> information...
>
> please do it that way...
> Usha di
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 11:43 am, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Anupamji
> > On the net I found the following interesting info about this plant
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma Hook. f.
> >
> > Incorrectly as Amydrium tetrasperma
> >
> > Common names: Amydrium 'Ginnie', Philodendron "Ginny", Mini monstera,
> >
> > Miniature monstera, Philodendron imbe Ginny, Epipremnum "Ginny"
> >
> > Mini split-leaf Philodendron
> >
> > This species is not a Philodendron, Monstera, Epipremnum nor Amydrium
> > species
> >
> > A member of the aroid tribe Monstereae, Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is a
> > native of Thailand and Malaysia that was identified to science in 1893.
>  Based
> > on the information available,  Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is somewhat more
> > closely related to the genus Monstera than Philodendron as some
> discussions
> > on the internet attempt to imply.  However, neither genus is closely
> > related.  Aroid expert Julius Boos explains, "The genus Monstera and all
> its
> > relatives produce blooms with a bisexual spadix ,male and female flowers
> > throughout the length of the spadix, while the Philodendrons and their
> > relatives Homolamena and Furtadoa produce blooms with a unisexual spadix
> > with female flowers at its base with sterile and male flowers above the
> > female zone, which makes them very far apart and not close relatives even
> > though they may appear alike!"
> >
> > Neither Philodendron nor Monstera species are found naturally outside
> > Central America, Mexico, South America and the Caribbean since they are
> > NeoTropical species.  The NeoTropics is defined as Mexico, Central
> America,
> > South America, the Caribbean and the southern tip of Florida.  The genus
> > Rhaphidophora is not found naturally in North or South America but would
> > then be a SE Asian equivalent with three Asian relatives including
> members
> > of the genera Epipremnum,  Amydrium, and Scindapsus.
> >
> > Postings can be found on the internet as well as in the offerings of
> > internet plant sellers identifying this species as Amydrium tetrasperma,
> > Amydrium 'Ginnie', Philodendron "Ginnie", Philodendron imbe "Ginny", and
> > Epipremnum "Ginny".  All are scientifically incorrect.  The use of single
> > quotes implies a registered cultivar which also appears to be
> > incorrect.  Numerous
> > discussions have been held on aroid forums regarding some of these names,
> > and they are still commonly used on sites such as eBay.  A variegated
> form
> > is commonly available but the variegation is not natural in this species
> and
> > is reported to have been induced by a chemical process during the tissue
> > culture process. (see photo, below)  Growers have reported the
> variegations
> > vanishes as the plant grows since the chemicals eventually wear off.
> >
> > Tissue culture (known as TC) is the asexual propagation of fragments of a
> > suitable parent plant in order to produce identical clones of it in large
> > quantity. In the cells of the parent are grown in a laboratory in
> nutrient
> > solutions until they form a mass of tissue. These tissues then get
> different
> > chemicals to induce roots and leaves. Once developed the tiny plants are
> > transplanted into a potting medium and finally grown by the commercial
> plant
> > growing industry.
> >
> > On several of the popular garden websites plant collectors repeatedly
> refer
> > to R. tetrasperma as a miniature form, or "mini" Monstera deliciosa
>  while
> > others continue to insist it is a form of Epipremnum.  This note from
> expert
> > aroid grower Michael Mattlage appears to sum up the correct conclusion,
> "I
> > know there was some debate a while back on whether the plant labeled
> > Amydrium, Philodendron, etc. etc. 'Ginny' was either a form of the
> variable
> > Epipremnum pinnatum or Rhaphidophora tetrasperma.  The experts finally
> > agreed with the later."   As indicated by Michael, the species does also
> > appear similar to the  adult form of Epipremnum pinnatum, but is only a
> > related species.
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is not a miniature form of Monstera and in
> > February, 2007 aroid botanist Peter Boyce responded with this answer to a
> > question posted regarding the "miniature Monstera deliciosa" theory on
> the
> > forum Aroid l, "In the 90s while working on Rhaphidophora I investigated
> the
> > so-called miniature form of M. deliciosa in cultivation in Europe and as
> > named in Birdsey's Cultivated Aroids as 'Dwarf Ceriman' and these plants
> > were without exception Rhaphidophora tetrasperma from peninsular Malaysia
> > and southern Thailand.  At the time Josef (Bogner) had a large one
> flowering
> > in Munich and it was from here that I obtained inflorescences to confirm
> the
> > generic Id.  Material from this clone was later used by one of my
> students
> > Tam Shey May for molecular work on the Monstereae and embedded in the
> > Rhaphidophora clade as sister to R. nicolsonii from Pen. Malaysia while
> M.
> > deliciosa remained clustered with Stenopsermation and a Rhodospatha.
>  Thus
> > morphologically (ovules, seeds) and on the molecular European 'Dwarf'
> > Deliciosa' is a Rhaphidophora."
> >
> > Some estimates indicate as many as one out of every eight plants known to
> > science have natural variability within their leaf forms.  They also
> "morph"
> > as they grow.  This link offers a more complete explanation of natural
> > variation within aroid species.  Once you complete reading the
> information
> > on this page please read this page on Natural Variation for a
> non-technical
> > explanation of how and why plants vary in appearance.  On that page you
> wil
> > find photos that demonstrate how aroids change their appearance as they
> > mature.
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is scientifically described as being a "small
> to
> > medium sized" heterophyllous aroid.  A heterophyllous species is one
> that is
> > capable of having very dissimilar leaves on the same specimen.  A deeply
> > pinnatifid aroid,  R. tetrasperma  is easily confused with a small
> Monstera
> > deliciosa, but solely by appearance.   As Julius explained,
> scientifically
> > they are not closely related.
> >
> > Rather than being stiff and leathery (coriaceous) as are the leaves of
> > Monstera deliciosa, the leaves are relatively thin and flexible.
>  Pinnatified
> > species are those that produce leaves somewhat similar in shape to a
> feather
> > or a palm frond.  This species is not related to any palm.  The juvenile
> > form of Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is a shingling plant similar in
> appearance
> > to Rhaphidophora korthalsii as well as Rhaphidophora nicolsonii but may
> be
> > distinguished by a knowledgeable observer based on the petiole sheath and
> > leaf lamina characteristics.
> >
> > Plants that begin their growth appressed are found growing in a
> > heteroblastic growth form known as "shingling" since they have the vague
> > appearance of the shingles or tiles on a roof.  The juvenile leaves have
> > this appearance due to very short petioles.  Heteroblasty is the
> progressive
> > change in growth from the juvenile shingle leaf to the intermediate adult
> > and finally into the adult form that stand away from the host as a
> result of
> > longer petioles and exhibit extreme changes in shape along the way.
>  Shinglers
> > grow extremely close to their host tree as appressed epiphytes.
>  Appressed
> > is "to press".
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is quoted on the International Aroid Society
> > website as being rare in nature and is restricted to only a few sites on
> the
> > Malaysian peninsula near Kelantan and Perak as well as southern
> Thailand.  Very
> > little has been published regarding this species in either scientific or
> > commercially available literature.  In the rain forest of SE Asia the
> plant
> > is a vine (liane) on the trees growing to a height of 5 meters (16
> feet).  The
> > plant is said to very rarely grow as a terrestrial species preferring to
> > climb.
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma clings to its host with a sparse quantity of
> > clasping roots from the nodes and internodes. The leaves can be ovate to
> a
> > combination of oval and lanceolate.  A lanceolate leaf blade is one that
> is
> > spear shaped.  The blades are not heavily coriaceous (leathery) and
> measure
> > from 10 to 34cm (4 to 13.3 inches).  Since it is known to be a
> heterophyllus
> > species, leaf variation should be expected.  Heterophylly just means a
> plant
> > can have very different appearing leaves on a single specimen.
> >
> > Regardless of the common belief a species is determined by the shape of
> the
> > leaf, that factor is rarely the final determination, especially in
> > aroids.  Leaf
> > variation among aroid species is extremely common and the shape of a leaf
> > alone cannot be used to accurately determine a species.  An examination
> of
> > the petiole supporting the leaf (commonly called the stem) will show it
> has
> > a shallow groove.  In its natural range the species is found in dry to
> moist
> > or wet forest as well as on sandstone and granite to an elevation of 190
> to
> > 760 meters (625 to 2500 feet).  The maximum leaf blade of our specimen in
> > the photo above measures 16.5cm (6.5 inches).
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma is now commonly sold on eBay as a miniature
> > variegated Monstera, but most sellers have simply been mislead into
> > believing the plant they sell is something other than its true identity.
>  In
> > a recent conversation with one eBay seller I pointed out the variegated
> form
> > does not appear to be natural and was likely induced with chemicals
> during
> > the tissue culture process.  Tissue culture is where the DNA of a parent
> > plant is extracted and prepared in a laboratory and eventually grown into
> > tissue that can be potted eventually producing an artificially cloned
> > specimen.
> >
> >  Since other sellers had told him he was foolish for accepting my
> opinion I
> > recommended we ask aroid botanist Peter Boyce in Malaysia for his opinion
> > whether or not the plant was a Rhaphidophora or a Monstera.  Pete is the
> > recognized authority on the aroids of Malaysia and Southeast Asia.  This
> is
> > Pete's response once he was shown the photo to the right,  "this is 100%
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma Hook.f., a species indigenous to Peninsular
> > Malaysia and the far south of the Thai peninsula and with which I am very
> > familiar. This species in its green (wild) form has been in cultivation
> at
> > least since 1950 and is mentioned (but not illustrated) in Birdsey’s ‘The
> > Cultivated Aroids’.  By the way I have seen exactly the same variegated
> form
> > of this plant for sale in Bangkok; talking to the Thai growers they also
> > agree that it is a somatic mutation induced in tissue culture. Similar
> > mutations are being generated in tissue culture with Spathiphyllum,
> > Homalomena, and Philodendron and usually involve the introduction of
> benign
> > colour-breaking virus."
> >
> > Just because you find a plant that has a beautiful variegated coloration
> > does not mean it is natural.  Worse, once the plant matures the
> variegation
> > will likely begin to slowly vanish since it was purposely infected with a
> > harmless virus to induce the coloration as Pete explained in his
> response..
> >
> > As an aroid, Rhaphidophora tetrasperma produces a small inflorescence
> with a
> > spathe that is described as "canoe-shaped" measuring to 3.5cm (1.4
> inches).
> > The spathe is scientifically described as "stiffly fleshy" and drops from
> > the spadix rapidly.  The fruit that forms on the spadix of Rhaphidophora
> > species each contain a number of small ellipsoid seeds.
> >
> > Within the genera that form the tribe Monstereae, seed characteristics
> are
> > frequently the only way a botanist can discern which genus any species
> may
> > properly belong.  Monstereae includes the genera Amydrium, Rhaphidophora,
> > Epipremnum, Scindapsus, Monstera, Alloschemone, Rhodospatha, and
> > Stenospermation.  According to the excellent aroid text Aroids, Plants of
> > the Arum Family by author Deni Bown, "Rhaph has many small oblong seeds;
> > Amydrium has globose to heart-shape Epipremnum has a few large,
> > kidney-shaped seeds; and Scindapsus has rounded to slightly kidney-shaped
> > seed."  Some of the genera are so closely related the only way to divide
> > them is by the number of seeds produced.  Within the genus Rhaphidophora
> > there are approximately 100 known species.
> >
> > The genus Rhaphidophora is found from the island of Borneo, SE Asia
> through
> > India and into Africa, however the species Rhaphidophora tetrasperma has
> a
> > very limited natural range in only Malaysia and parts of Thailand.  The
> term
> > "British India" used in the scientific description is not referring to
> what
> > we now know as the country of India.
> >
> > Our specimen was a gift from collector Bryan Stover and is potted in
> > extremely porous soil containing orchid potting bark and charcoal.  The
> > mixture is kept constantly damp in mottled light.  A word of caution, if
> you
> > like this species, control where it grows!  One very knowledgeable grower
> > warned the species can become invasive in a greenhouse. Easily
> cultivated,
> > the species can be very invasive despite the fact it is considered
> > moderately rare in nature.
> >
> > My sincere thanks to Lucinda Lay of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew in
> London
> > for providing a copy of Pete Boyce's scientific treatment of the
> species.  For
> > those who would like to read the original document, you can find the
> work,
> > which is published in 'Gardens Bulletin Singapore', Title: Rhaphidophora
> > Hassk. (Araceae-Monsteroideae-Monstereae) in Peninsular Malaysia, and
> > Singapore Volume 52, 1999, at the bottom of this page.
> >
> > My thanks also to Pete who often provides assistance to collectors and
> > growers as well as information to this author.
> >
> > Join the International Aroid Society:
> http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Join%20IAS.html
> >
> > The scientific description of Rhapidophora tetrasperma
> >
> > 15. Rhaphidophora tetrasperma Hook.f.
> >
> > Rhaphidophora tetrasperma Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 6 (1893) 548; Ridl.,
> Mat.
> > Fl. Malay.Malay Penins. 3 (1907) 44--45; Engl. & K. Krause in Engl.,
> > Pflanzenr. 37 (IV.23B) (1908) 48; Ridl., Fl. Malay.Malay Penins. 5 (1925)
> > 124 - Type: Malaysia, Perak,  Scortechini 169b (K, holo).
> >
> > Distribution: Peninsular Malaysia (Kelantan, Perak). Also),  distributed
> in
> > and southern Thailand.
> >
> > Small to medium-sized, rather slender, semi-pachycaul, heterophyllous
> liane
> > to 5 m; seedling stage a non-skototropic shingling juvenile shoot;
> pre-adult
> > plants very rarely forming terrestrial colonies; adult shoot architecture
> > comprised of elongated, weakly clinging, physiognomically monopodial,
> > flexuous, moderately leafy, non-flowering stems and weakly adherent or,
> more
> > commonly, free lateral flowering stems; stems smooth, without prophyll,
> > cataphyll and petiolar sheath fibre, internodes to 14 x 1 cm, separated
> by
> > prominent straight leaf scars; flagellate foraging stems not observed;
> > clasping roots sparsely produced from nodes and internodes; feeding roots
> > stout, produced singly or in pairs from most nodes of free shoots; leaves
> > weakly spiral-distichous; cataphylls and prophylls membranous, soon
> drying
> > and falling; petiole shallowly grooved, 10--34 x 0.2--0.4 cm, smooth,
> apical
> > and basal genicula slightly prominent; petiolar sheath prominent,
> extending
> > to base of apical geniculum, soon falling to leave a prominent, slightly
> > corky scar; lamina sparsely to + entirely deeply pinnatipartite to nearly
> > pinnatisect, occasionally with large rhombic perforations adjacent to
> > mid-rib, 12--42 x 9.5--38 cm, broadly ovate to ovate-lanceolate, thinly
> > coriaceous, base truncate or very weakly cordate, apex acute to
> acuminate,
> > individual pinnae up to 6 cm wide; mid-rib prominently raised abaxially,
> > slightly sunken adaxially; primary venation pinnate, raised abaxially,
> > slightly impressed adaxially; interprimaries diverging from primaries,
> much
> > less prominent, slightly raised abaxially, very slightly impressed
> > adaxially; secondary venation weakly reticulate, very slightly raised;
> > tertiary venation barely visible; inflorescence few together, subtended
> by
> > two prominent cataphylls, these soon falling; peduncle terete, 2--2.5 x
> > 0.3--0.4 cm; spathe canoe-shaped, 3--3.5 x 0.8--1.5 cm, stiffly fleshy,
> > apparently falling swiftly, white with adherent black cataphyll remnants;
> > spadix cylindrical, sessile, inserted slightly decurrently on peduncle,
> > 3--3.5 x 0.75 - 1 cm, white; stylar region well developed, mostly
> > rhombohexagonal, c.c. 2 x 2 mm, truncate, margins deflexed; stigma
> elliptic,
> > longitudinally orientated, c.c. 1 x 0.2 mm; anthers exserted at anthesis;
> > infructescence not observed.
> >
> > Habitat: Disturbed rather dry to moist or wet forest on sandstone and
> > granite. 190--760 m altitude.
> >
> > Notes: As noted under above, R. tetrasperma most closely resembles R.
> > nicolsonii but may be distinguished readily on petiole sheath and leaf
> > lamina characters.
> >
> > Other specimens seen: PENINSULAR MALAYSIA: Kelantan, Tanah Merah, Pergau
> Dam
> > site, logging road to Sg Long Intake 1, Boyce 652 (K, KEP); Perak, Bidor
> > Corner SFN s.n. (SING).
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bhagyahsri
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, anupam sarmah 
> > <anupamsar...@gmail.com>wrote:>
> Rhaphidophora (Araceae)?
> >
> > > anupam
> >
> > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >> request for identification
> >
> > >> Date/Time-Sep 2011
> >
> > >>  Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune
> >
> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-Garden
> >
> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Potted plant
> >
> > >> Height/Length- about 2 feet
> >
> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- green with holes
> >
> > >> Flowers & Fruits not seen
> >
> > >> Regards
> >
> > >> Bhagyashri
> >
> > > --
> > > *Anupam Sarmah Ph.D. I *Head, Assam Landscapes I WWF India I Tezpur,
> Assam
> > > +91 3712 260132 (O) I+91 94354 85789 (M) I Skype: anupamsarmah
>



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