Thanks all for being with my fern identification On Mon, 1 Apr 2019, 15:43 J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot, Chris ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 15:07 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:319017] Fwd: Tree Fern Id from > Bangladesh_SM_1450 > To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > > > Dear Dr. Sourav Mahmud, > Yes, I do understand it can be difficult to reach tree-fern fronds. I've > often stood at tip-toe on a steep slope attempting to hook down the tip of > a frond with a stick to pull it slightly down to grab a few pinnules from > the main pinna. Or sometimes throwing a stick or stone up to try to knock > off a pinnule - which invariably falls out of reach into a deep ravine or > something! But without this tree-ferns are just tree-ferns, no > identification possible. > Well the new photo shows the stipes are not dark or blackish, so that > eliminates C. gigantea, C. khasiana, C. henryi and C. andersonii. But I > can't see if they have short spines or not - if so, at that altitude and > place it would be C. spinulosa, as expected. If not, probably C. > brunoniana (nom. cons. prop.) (syn. C. sollyana) - but the pinnae are not > in enough detail to see that. > So for now I stick with probable C. spinulosa, but C. brunoniana as a > possibility. C. brunoniana is rarer, so more interesting. > It is good to see a large full-grown plant as so much forest there > has been destroyed and used up. But because tree-ferns are OK in the sun > (that was the point of the trunk-habit!), as long as the base is among > dense undergrowth and does not dry up, I have seen quite a few decent-sized > plants of tree-ferns in a few areas, such as towards the Meghalaya border > north of Sylhet, near Jaintiapur (C. khasiyana) or down in the ravines at > Kalatoli, near Cox's Bazaar (a great place Professor Pasha showed me - with > C. henryi and a new species of Diplazium I found there, D. banglum), and of > course around Banderban and up to the Myanmar border beyond Ruma (C. > henryi) and have seen C. spinulosa about there too, though I didn't > collect it. > Can you revisit some time and throw a stick or stone up to grab a > pinnule? And take a zoomed photo of the lower stipes to show scales and > possible spines, then we can clinch its identity. > Best wishes, > Chris Fraser-Jenkins. > > On Monday, 1 April 2019, 08:18:30 BST, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks, Sourav ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Sourav Mahmud* <nature.su...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 12:09 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:319017] Fwd: Tree Fern Id from > Bangladesh_SM_1450 > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > Cc: Sourav Mahmud <nature.sou...@gmail.com> > > > Another view. It was not possible to get close shot despite of its present > in top hill. > > Md Sharif Hossain Sourav > Junior Specialist > Ecology, Forestry and Biodiversity Division > CEGIS > www.cegisbd.com > Cell: +88-01716633633 > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Ushadi Micromini < > microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Chris > > Usha di > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:48 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Chris ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Chris Fraser-Jenkins* > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 22:35 > Subject: Re: Tree Fern Id from Bangladesh_SM_1450 > To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > > > No, sorry - it is as you say entirely insufficient. All the literature > talks about the indument under the pinnules and I have said it hiundreds of > times. For tree-ferns we have to have a close up of the underside of a > pinnules and to see young sori as well. And we also need to know if the > stipe is spiny or smooth, pale or more-or-less black. > In general it looks most like the common C. spinulosa(syn.: Alsophila > spinulosa), but no one can tell from a general picture like this. I can > only say it's a tree-fern! > Chris Fraser-Jenkins, Portugal. > > On Sunday, 31 March 2019, 09:25:49 WEST, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi, Sourav ji, > I think this is insufficient for id. > Pl. post detailed images, if you have. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Sourav Mahmud* <nature.su...@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 11:46 > Subject: Tree Fern Id from Bangladesh_SM_1450 > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > Cc: J.M. 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