Nalini ji ... those are names of various species of *Crotalaria*. While खुळखुळा khulkhula is a name for large seed-pod plants like *C. spectabilis* and *C. verrucosa*, the फटफटी phatphati is for tiny seed pod plant *C. filipes*
Regards. Dinesh On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Na Bha <nabha-megh...@gmx.de> wrote: > Interesting. If the name suggests the noise the pods make, can't imagine > खुळखुळा khulkhula, is any near to फटफटी phatphati. > wonder wonder! > > > Am 19.09.2011 14:51, schrieb Madhuri Pejaver: > > HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM > THANKS > MADHURI > > --- On *Mon, 19/9/11, Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com><dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > * wrote: > > > From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82269] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY > (Marathi)... bhat ghagari > To: "Rathinasabapathy Bhuvaragasamy" <brspa...@gmail.com><brspa...@gmail.com>, > "efloraofindia" > <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com><indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > Cc: formpeja...@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 11:40 AM > > Many thanks Madhuri ji for working on the bhat ghagari ... it has helped > thrash the ambiguity. > > Most of *Crotalaria* species have some of their names related to sound; > more related to child's rattle toy ... thus, in various languages: > English: cat's bell, rattlepod, rattlebox, shack-shack > Gujarati: ઘૂઘરો ghugharo > Hindi: घुंगरी ghungri, झुनझुनिया jhunjhunia > Marathi: डिंगळा dingala, खुळखुळा khulkhula, फटफटी phatphati > Kannada: ಗಿಜಿಗಿಜಿ ಗಿಡ gijigiji gida > ... and so on. > > > > Rathinasabapathy ji, ... not knowing the reason why you are not able to see > the picture put in my message ... link to that picture in my flickr > photostream is http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/4174379450/ > Many thanks for showing pictures of *Crotalaria verrucosa* at your blog. > > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Rathinasabapathy Bhuvaragasamy < > brspa...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brspa...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Pl. go through the link (pict. of C.v). I am not able to open the pict. > from yr. mail. > > http://nbranaikatti.blogspot.com/search?q=Crotalaria+verrucosa+ > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:37 AM, > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > Yes it is called as Khulkhula in Marathi? Then not surname but that aa > pronunciation will be correct. Because it means the people who praise God!!! > They are the stutipathak of God, Rajas etc. So they will be making some > ringing noise isn't it of bell or ghungaru! > Thanks for making me think. > I hope matter is clear > Madhuri > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > ------------------------------ > *From: *Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>> > > *Sender: > *indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > *Date: *Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:28:04 +0530 > *To: *Madhuri > Pejaver<formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > > *Cc: > *efloraofindia<indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > *Subject: *Re: [efloraofindia:82249] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY > (Marathi) ... bhat ghagari > > ... yes, the seedpods make rattle-like noise. > > Here are seed-pods of *Crotalaria speciosa* which look similar to that of > *C. verrucosa* > > [image: Khulkhula (Marathi: > खुळखुळा)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F4174379450%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc1QOlwwOZi7wOgNI5K_zQHysdEMQ> > > > > Some of the meanings of भाट [ bhata ] are: > 1 ... A place in the sea or a river which appears at low water; a shoal, > shallow, sand- bank. > 2 ... An elevated and level spot occurring in arable land; dry therefore > and fit only for the inferior grains. > 3 ... Ground prepared for sugarcane: also a plantation of sugarcanes. > 4 ... A class of people or an individual of it. They are minstrels or > bards. > 5 ... ... An empty chatterer. > > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Madhuri Pejaver > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > Had read your other meanings , but could not make anything out of it > unless > 1, how or what is the shape of the fruit? > 2. Does it make any noise when dry?// > 3,because all meanings given by you indicate noise. So it has to be related > to either noise or shape. > Ghagar is the word generally used by Bhats/ dont know but think so, because > others use kalashi? > This is all scrathing brain not knowlege. but trying to get it. > > > --- On *Mon, 19/9/11, Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > >* wrote: > > > From: Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82175] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY > (Marathi) ... bhat ghagari > To: "Madhuri Pejaver" > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > > Cc: "efloraofindia" > <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 1:15 AM > > > Many thanks Madhuri ji. > > But what does भट in भट घागरी mean ? any idea ? > > Other than घागरी being plural of घागर meaning a vessel or pot (made of > copper, brass, or earth) to hold water, ... the other meanings of घागरी are: > a bell or jingling ball (as of a child's girdle, or as worn on the toes by > dancing girls &c.); the fruit of a plant commonly known as घागरा. > > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Madhuri Pejaver > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > perfect! > will try, time is a great constrain. > isnt Ghagri means the pot called ghagar? plural of it? > So pot like appearence? > > > --- On *Sun, 18/9/11, Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > >* wrote: > > > From: Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82175] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY > (Marathi) ... bhat ghagari > To: "Madhuri Pejaver" > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > > Cc: "efloraofindia" > <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 3:49 PM > > > Madhuri ji ... did you mean to say भट घागरी ? ... any meaning for this भटas a > prefix to घागरी > > Meaning of घागरी > 1 ... A bell or jingling ball (as of a child's girdle, or as worn on the > toes by dancing girls &c.) > 2 ... The fruit of घागरा. > 3 ... The plant commonly घागरा > > > Have attached a javascrpted-HTML for generating Devanagari script ... you > may try your hand at it. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Madhuri Pejaver > <formpeja...@yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=formpeja...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > would have to try once that Marathi font. will do soon. > Pronounce it as Marathi surname. > Madhuri > > --- On *Sun, 18/9/11, Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > >* wrote: > > > From: Dinesh Valke > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: [efloraofindia:82154] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY (Marathi) > ... bhat ghagari > To: "efloraofindia" > <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 1:20 PM > > > Dear Marathi-knowing friends, > > > [image: Crotalaria verrucosa > L.]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F5926671005%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcXiLXPDH0nuvkG1dxUtjHmacu8vg> > > One of the names for *Crotalaria verrucosa* L. is bhat ghagari ... ENVIS - > FRLHT <http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=672&parname=0> > Not sure how is bhat spelt in this context ... would it be भाट घागरी OR > भात घागरी OR yet any other word ? > > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > > > > > -- > B. Rathinasabapathy > Project Co-ordinator > Nilgiri Biosphere Nature Park > 1388, Avinashi Road > Peelamedu > Coimbatore-641004 > > > > > > >
