Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: C CHADWELL Date: 22 September 2016 at 03:26 Subject: Re: Fwd: SK107SEP20-1016:ID To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> This is a member of what was known as the Umbelliferae family, now Apiaceae. A family that can present challenges identification-wise, sometimes requiring ripe/mature fruits to be certain identification-wise. Definitely *Heracelum* - known in UK as 'Hogweeds'. Only 2 species recorded from Ladakh to-date (though always look closely, just in case your specimens do not match descriptions well) *which makes things easier.* The choice therefore is between *H.pinnatum* and *H.candicans*. Stewart did not record *H,candicans* from Ladakh (but from neighbouring Baltistan, so no surprise for it to be found in Ladakh). It is known through the hills of N.Pakistan and Kashmir from 2100- 3300m. My team from the University of Southampton (UK) collected pressed specimens of both species in the Suru Valley in 1980, which were identified at Kew (a duplicate set of specimens went to the University of Kashmir herbarium). According to my un-published check-list for Ladakh (1980s) the collection of *H.candicans* was new to Ladakh at that time. Members of the University of Southampton Expedition to Zanskar in 1981 found *H.pinnatum* to be frequent in dry, stony, exposed ground near Padum. In 1980 we found the species amongst dry fragmented rocks on an E-facing mountainside with scattered grasses. We found *H.candicans* on an E-facing slope beside an irrigation channel in sandy loam amongst *Lotus corniculatus*, *Astragalus* and grasses. Klimes found *H.pinnatum* on stony river banks, screes, stony steppe and semi-desert slopes but did not record *H.candicans*. On this basis, *H.pinnatum* is the most likely candidate for the images taken on the way to Khardung La. There are photos of both species in 'Himalayan Plants Illustrated' (Yoshioka, 2005) but the images do not allow one to distinguish between the species. They do not show close sufficient close-up detail. 'Flowers of the Himalaya' describes both species but only has a photo of *H.pinnatum* (taken in Zanskar). The authors say this species is common on field verges in Ladakh. The authors separate *H.candicans* on the basis that it is a robust perennial 60cm or more (our specimen from the Suru Valley was only to 40cm, so clearly this distinction is incorrect), in fact *H.pinnatum* we collected had example which were to 50cm, so taller! Dimensions are at best, of limited value in plant identification. As *H.candicans* can reach 2m.... It is also distinguished by the white-felted undersides of its leaves. Its fruit is described as flattened obconic with broadly lateral wings. Whereas in *H.pinnatum* the fruits are elliptic with winged dorsal ribs. Unfortunately the fruits shown are not fully mature. I do have a copy of the full 'Flora of Pakistan' revision of Apiaceae (Umbelliferae) but cannot locate it at this time - will take a close look in due course. *My conclusion is that the images shared are most likely to be of Heracleum pinnatum.* Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK http://www.shpa.org.uk/ ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> *To:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2016, 14:36 *Subject:* Fwd: SK107SEP20-1016:ID Thanks, Saroj ji ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Saroj Kasaju" <kasajusa...@gmail.com> Date: 20 Sep 2016 16:09 Subject: SK107SEP20-1016:ID To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" < jmga...@gmail.com> Cc: Dear Members, Sharing some pictures for ID shot on the way to Khardung La at 12000 ft on 21 August 2016. Thank you. 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