---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> Date: 13 October 2016 at 01:27 Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild Flower of ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>
Dear Narendra I did take a quick look at this first-time round but wished to see if anyone would recognise it and save me a lot of effort. *I conclude that it seems to be Desmodium elegans* syn *D.tiliaefolium*). I presumed at a glance this was a *Desmodium* but then it gets difficult (bear in mind there are genera which look similar to *Desmodium* - though mostly at lower elevations only *My familiarity with plants drops away* *rapidly at lower elevations knowing minimal amount about sub-tropical flora and even less with* *tropical flora*. I do not have a check-list to refer to covering the route you took. The 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol II (1979) has 14 species of *Desmodium* for Nepal incl. several species with varieties. In 1973 Ohashi had published a revision of the Asiatic species of *Desmodium* and its allied genera. Stewart lists 10 species for Pakistan & Kashmir. Collet has 10 species in 'Flora Simlensis'. He has a key which eliminates the low-level *D.gangeticum* with simple leaves. Then the flowers being 0.13cm long cf. 0.6 cm or less. The images suggester larger flowers which brings us to only 3 species: *D.floribundum*, *D.tiliaefolium* and *D.gryans*. On the basis of the size of lateral leaflets, *D.floribundum* or *D.tiliaefolium* seem the most likely. There is a line drawing of *D.floribundum*, which the images are similar to. They are then distinguished by pod characteristics which we cannot see. Both these species were recorded as common in Shimla. *D.tiliaefolium* has usually pink flowers whereas *D.floribundum* usually pink-purple. *From this (though the species it is may not grow in the area covered by 'Flora* *Simlensis'*) *Desmodium tiliaefolium is the strongest candidate.* Some can be eliminated on the basis of only ever having been found at lower elevations - which gives about 7 species to consider, which helps. Of those 7500' is very much the upper limit of their altitudinal ranges. There is a key to the Nepalese species of this genus in this publication, which I shall attempt to use. *I always say that keys must be used with extreme caution - they are so difficult to prepare (except* *in some cases when differences are clear-cut). Never totally rely on a key. Make sure you check* *which species you have "keyed out" actually makes sense from other characteristics, altitude,* *habitat, distribution etc.* I have never examined Desmodiums closely before. In the early stages of the key, related genera (all from lower altitudes) are eliminated, then one is required to examine the fruits (which we cannot from the specimen photographed) to eliminate *Codariocalyx* (altitude-wise this genus is a possibility) but a quick look at images of their flowers removes them from consideration. In this flora, *D.tiliaefolium* is given as a synonym of *D.elegans* with a distribution of 1200-3000m which fits well. Whereas *D.floribundum* is given as a synonym of D.multiflorum. Unfortunately, without good quality pressed specimens, where details of the flowers (or pods) could be examined closely, it is impossible to continue with the key.... as is so often the case with photos, not sufficient detail is shown. *However, 'Flowers of Himalaya' list 2 of c. 18 species (mostly sub-tropical): D.elegans and D.multiflorum. There is* *a photo of D.elegans found from Afghanisatn to SW China @ 1200-3000m in forests, shrubberies & open slopes. This* *and other images I have seen suggest the photos taken near Sirka fit this. There is a photo of D.multiflorum in the* *Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya showing its smaller, lilac flowers - different to the colour described by Collet.* Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> *To:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> *Cc:* Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 10:56 *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild Flower of ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 Forwarding again for Id assistance please. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Narendra Joshi* <narend...@gmail.com> Date: 3 October 2016 at 23:11 Subject: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild Flower of ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> Dear Members, Wild flower for ID. Photo taken on Aug 12 near Sirkha. 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