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On 4 October 2016 at 07:51, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "chrischadwell...@btinternet.com" <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> > Date: 4 Oct 2016 07:25 > Subject: [efloraofindia:252856] Re: Fragaria nubicola ABMAY01/05 > To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > Cc: > > Oops! Just goes to show that one needs to keep up-to-date as to revisions > of genera of plants in the Himalaya - *and the reality is that the vast > majority of genera in the Himalaya are in need of revision, some urgently > so, as our understanding of them is very poor.* > > > *Whilst looking into Fragaria nubicola, I noticed that F.bucharica is > listed by Dickore & Klimes in their check-list for Ladakh flora. I had not > heard of this species before. Their is no reference to it.* > > *I could not readily find any images or descriptions to check. I then > spotted the post of Surajit Kohli from 2015 which had been re-posted, which > draws attention to: > http://www.schweizerbart.de/papers/pde/detail/126/52820/Himalayan_species_of > <http://www.schweizerbart.de/papers/pde/detail/126/52820/Himalayan_species_of> > - > a revision of the Himalayan species of Fragaria by Gunter Staudt. I can > only access the abstract at present. Can some get the full article and > send a copy to me and summarise the differences between this species and > F.nubicola, as I think there may be both species in HP? Thus we until > this is checked, we can only the plant above Mcleod Ganj as provisionally > F.nubicola.* > > *The abstract states that F.bucharica is found in Kashmir (and it seems > the Ladakh part but it must be uncommon and restricted to the moister parts > close to the border with Kashmir). F.nubicola is distributed from HP to SW > China, whereas F.bucharica is found in Kashmir, presumably N.Pakistan, > E.Pakistan and Tadjikistan.* > > *Yet more names changes to celebrate! Please note that you find me often > saying that I consider this to be a particular species, based on my present > understanding, all-too-aware that the situation could change - even for > species one is/was fairly confident they knew well! I repeat and this > applies to all science, not just botany but we can ONLY ever say (if we > have the necessary expertise) that a plant belongs to a particular species, > to the best of our present understanding, mindful that revisions of a genus > could be taking place as images are posted. Or we were not aware of the > revisions. The picture is complicated by differences of opinion in the > botanical world amongst the taxonomists who revise plants (some of which > perform excellent revisions, other not). So sometimes this means the > changes/revisions are not generally accepted or rejected altogether.* > > *I realise how bewildering this can be and discouraging but we need to > keep going. It also illustrates the NECESSITY for India botany to > collaborate internationally and keep up with studies on genera and species > found within Indian territory (and bordering countries, as it is worth > "keeping a look out for species from bordering countries which may have > been overlooked previously). Likewise, it is ESSENTIAL for Indian > botanists who publish species NEW TO SCIENCE or NEW TO INDIA publish in top > quality International Journals. Otherwise their findings cannot be > inspected/checked or be made known.* > > *I am still unable to access a description of a Waldheimia huegelii or > know how to distinguish it from other Waldheimias.* > > *Their is nowadays a International Code which needs to be followed for the > VALID naming of a NEW species. One of the reasons there are so many > synonyms for certain species, is that botanists all over the world, acting > independently, published species under names without checking - it was much > more difficult to do so in the 19th Century.* > > *Oh Dear, things do have a habit of turning out to be complicated. We all > wish it was simpler and easier but hopefully we can all 'enjoy' or at least > put up with the challenges of naming plants - and keeping "up-to-date".* > > > On Sunday, 3 May 2015 19:25:31 UTC+1, ashwini wrote: > >> It was my first time seeing this Himalayan strawberry. We have the *Duchesnea >> indica* aplenty but this one is scarce. I saw several plant with flowers >> today but no fruit. >> >> *Fragaria nubicola* (Himalayan Strawberry) >> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> 1850m approx. >> 3 May 2015 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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