Thank You Garg Ji, Dr. Chris and Tabish for the Identification. With regards,
NS Joshi On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:10 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> > Date: 13 October 2016 at 01:27 > Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild > Flower of ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 > To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> > > > Dear Narendra > > I did take a quick look at this first-time round but wished to see if > anyone would recognise it > and save me a lot of effort. *I conclude that it seems to be Desmodium > elegans* syn *D.tiliaefolium*). > > I presumed at a glance this was a *Desmodium* but then it gets difficult > (bear in mind there are genera which look > similar to *Desmodium* - though mostly at lower elevations only *My > familiarity with plants drops away* > *rapidly at lower elevations knowing minimal amount about sub-tropical > flora and even less with* > *tropical flora*. I do not have a check-list to refer to covering the > route you took. > > The 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol II (1979) has 14 > species of *Desmodium* for > Nepal incl. several species with varieties. In 1973 Ohashi had published > a revision of the Asiatic > species of *Desmodium* and its allied genera. > > Stewart lists 10 species for Pakistan & Kashmir. > > Collet has 10 species in 'Flora Simlensis'. He has a key which eliminates > the low-level *D.gangeticum* > with simple leaves. Then the flowers being 0.13cm long cf. 0.6 cm or > less. The images suggester larger > flowers which brings us to only 3 species: *D.floribundum*, > *D.tiliaefolium* and *D.gryans*. > > On the basis of the size of lateral leaflets, *D.floribundum* or > *D.tiliaefolium* seem the most likely. There is > a line drawing of *D.floribundum*, which the images are similar to. > They are then distinguished by pod characteristics > which we cannot see. Both these species were recorded as common in > Shimla. *D.tiliaefolium* has usually pink flowers whereas > *D.floribundum* usually pink-purple. *From this (though the species it is > may not grow in the area covered by 'Flora* > *Simlensis'*) *Desmodium tiliaefolium is the strongest candidate.* > > Some can be eliminated on the basis of only ever having been found at > lower elevations - which gives > about 7 species to consider, which helps. Of those 7500' is very much the > upper limit of their altitudinal > ranges. > > There is a key to the Nepalese species of this genus in this publication, > which I shall attempt to use. > > *I always say that keys must be used with extreme caution - they are so > difficult to prepare (except* > *in some cases when differences are clear-cut). Never totally rely on a > key. Make sure you check* > *which species you have "keyed out" actually makes sense from other > characteristics, altitude,* > *habitat, distribution etc.* > > I have never examined Desmodiums closely before. In the early stages of > the key, related genera (all from > lower altitudes) are eliminated, then one is required to examine the > fruits (which we cannot from the specimen > photographed) to eliminate *Codariocalyx* (altitude-wise this genus is a > possibility) but a quick look at images > of their flowers removes them from consideration. > > In this flora, *D.tiliaefolium* is given as a synonym of *D.elegans* with > a distribution of 1200-3000m which fits well. Whereas > *D.floribundum* is given as a synonym of D.multiflorum. > > Unfortunately, without good quality pressed specimens, where details of > the flowers (or pods) could be examined closely, > it is impossible to continue with the key.... as is so often the case > with photos, not sufficient detail is shown. > > *However, 'Flowers of Himalaya' list 2 of c. 18 species (mostly > sub-tropical): D.elegans and D.multiflorum. There is* > *a photo of D.elegans found from Afghanisatn to SW China @ 1200-3000m in > forests, shrubberies & open slopes. This* > *and other images I have seen suggest the photos taken near Sirka fit > this. There is a photo of D.multiflorum in the* > *Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya showing its smaller, lilac flowers > - different to the colour described by Collet.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > *To:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > *Cc:* Narendra Joshi <narend...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 10:56 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild > Flower of ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Narendra Joshi* <narend...@gmail.com> > Date: 3 October 2016 at 23:11 > Subject: [efloraofindia:252808] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Wild Flower of > ID NSJ-OCT 16/02 > To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > Dear Members, > > Wild flower for ID. Photo taken on Aug 12 near Sirkha. Height around 7500 > feet. > > -- > With Regards, > Narendra Joshi > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com > <indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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