Re: mirror lists plan

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:48:10 +0200
Adrian Reber  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:05:27PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Greetings. 
> > 
> > We currently have 3 lists associated with mirrors. 2 of them are
> > still located at redhat.com and we want to move them over to our
> > infrastructure. 
> > 
> > mirror-adm...@lists.fedoraproject.org   
> 
> It actually is mirror-ad...@lists.fedoraproject.org (without the 's'
> after admin). Which is probably irrelevant for this discussion.

Oh yeah, sorry. :) 

> > This list is open to all (but only allows posting to subscribers, I
> > moderate it and adrianr also does). This is usually the list we have
> > people with questions or issues post to to get help mirroring. 
> > 
> > mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com  
> 
> Without announce, just mirror-l...@redhat.com
> 
> > This list was for announcing new releases and sizes for mirrors so
> > they would know to sync up and how large our next release was and
> > to expect more traffic. It was setup back in the Fedora Core days
> > so it was restricted to only approved mirror admins (because it
> > would get notice of releases before they were public). 
> > 
> > mirror-lis...@redhat.com
> > 
> > This was another Fedora Core days list thats restricted to list
> > admins to discuss space issues or mirroring problems or whatever. 
> > 
> > So, I propose we do this: 
> > 
> > * Make a new mirror-announce list. 
> > * Mass invite mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com people to it. 
> > * Make it open to all, but moderated
> > * Mass invite mirror-lis...@redhaat.com subscribers to mirror-admins
> >   list. 
> > * Mail redhat.com lists and close them to new posts.   
> 
> So both lists will be open to all and moderated? Or will one list be
> only open for members posts? Or does 'Make it open to all, but
> moderated' mean anybody can subscribe but every post (also of members)
> will be moderated?

I meant that the announce list will have all subscribers moderated but
be open to subscription from anyone and the discussion list will have
all non subscribers moderated and be open to subscription from anyone. 

ie, I see 0 reason to try and confirm someone is a "official" mirror
admin before allowing them to subscribe to the lists. The announces can
be public as well since there's really no surprises since we announce
them a week ahead at least. 

> > Then, moving forward we send announcements about upcoming releases
> > to mirror-announce and important changes (like archiving a release
> > or a new mirroring tool or whatever). 
> > 
> > Thoughts? Other ideas?  
> 
> Sounds good. It is not clear yet which list has which mail acceptance
> policy but as it can be changed anytime this might also be something
> which can be adapted to our needs.

Sure. 

kevin


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Re: mirror lists plan

[Adrian Reber]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:05:27PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings. 
> 
> We currently have 3 lists associated with mirrors. 2 of them are still
> located at redhat.com and we want to move them over to our
> infrastructure. 
> 
> mirror-adm...@lists.fedoraproject.org 

It actually is mirror-ad...@lists.fedoraproject.org (without the 's'
after admin). Which is probably irrelevant for this discussion.

> 
> This list is open to all (but only allows posting to subscribers, I
> moderate it and adrianr also does). This is usually the list we have
> people with questions or issues post to to get help mirroring. 
> 
> mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com

Without announce, just mirror-l...@redhat.com

> This list was for announcing new releases and sizes for mirrors so they
> would know to sync up and how large our next release was and to expect
> more traffic. It was setup back in the Fedora Core days so it was
> restricted to only approved mirror admins (because it would get notice
> of releases before they were public). 
> 
> mirror-lis...@redhat.com
> 
> This was another Fedora Core days list thats restricted to list admins
> to discuss space issues or mirroring problems or whatever. 
> 
> So, I propose we do this: 
> 
> * Make a new mirror-announce list. 
> * Mass invite mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com people to it. 
> * Make it open to all, but moderated
> * Mass invite mirror-lis...@redhaat.com subscribers to mirror-admins
>   list. 
> * Mail redhat.com lists and close them to new posts. 

So both lists will be open to all and moderated? Or will one list be
only open for members posts? Or does 'Make it open to all, but
moderated' mean anybody can subscribe but every post (also of members)
will be moderated?

> Then, moving forward we send announcements about upcoming releases to
> mirror-announce and important changes (like archiving a release or a
> new mirroring tool or whatever). 
> 
> Thoughts? Other ideas?

Sounds good. It is not clear yet which list has which mail acceptance
policy but as it can be changed anytime this might also be something
which can be adapted to our needs.

Adrian


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mirror lists plan

[Kevin Fenzi]

Greetings. 

We currently have 3 lists associated with mirrors. 2 of them are still
located at redhat.com and we want to move them over to our
infrastructure. 

mirror-adm...@lists.fedoraproject.org 

This list is open to all (but only allows posting to subscribers, I
moderate it and adrianr also does). This is usually the list we have
people with questions or issues post to to get help mirroring. 

mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com

This list was for announcing new releases and sizes for mirrors so they
would know to sync up and how large our next release was and to expect
more traffic. It was setup back in the Fedora Core days so it was
restricted to only approved mirror admins (because it would get notice
of releases before they were public). 

mirror-lis...@redhat.com

This was another Fedora Core days list thats restricted to list admins
to discuss space issues or mirroring problems or whatever. 

So, I propose we do this: 

* Make a new mirror-announce list. 
* Mass invite mirror-list-annou...@redhat.com people to it. 
* Make it open to all, but moderated
* Mass invite mirror-lis...@redhaat.com subscribers to mirror-admins
  list. 
* Mail redhat.com lists and close them to new posts. 

Then, moving forward we send announcements about upcoming releases to
mirror-announce and important changes (like archiving a release or a
new mirroring tool or whatever). 

Thoughts? Other ideas?

kevin


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