> Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?... No, that page with 1 link makes no sense. Yes, I was thinking a direct link - the menu goes directly to that page. I have not looked into whether that's possible (without changing the url), but it seems like it should be. Although, read on....
> - How about the more standard 'Documentation' or 'Docs and Literature'? > But yes, that's essentially what I'd like most. It would collect things > that belong together on one page, and make it quite clear what that page > is about. Yes, I like that! (so putting it in the Learn menu can be forgotten, for me) > I'm only a little hesitant about renaming the page, because other people > may have linked to it... *If* we change the name, we should create a > redirect (so old links will still lead to the page), and also be very > certain about the new name, so we won't change it another time (and need > another redirect). Would we have to change the link/URL? Isn't it possible to change the text of the menu, without changing the page name? I thought I did that somewhere, a while ago..... Yes, in the Learn menu, I changed "Videos" to "Video Tutorials". I had approval on that in an e mail thread, although it was quite a while ago. (I might not even still have that thread.) Maybe for the long term, that's not a very good idea. But if the next new website is coming up within.....let's say a year, maybe it wouldn't be so bad? All best, brynn -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 7:40 PM To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; "Inkscape-Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "Donna Benjamin" <do...@kattekrab.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? > Hi Brynn, >> >>> I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item >>> would then lead to a page with only a single link on it. >>> This would not make too much sense, in my opinion. >> >> I don't understand that. Why does it matter if the Keys and Mouse >> Reference only has 1 link on it? > > - Because we would make an extra menu entry for a page like this: > http://staging.inkscape.org/en/keyboard-and-mouse-reference > That menu entry would make the corresponding sub-menu longer, it creates > an extra page which needs to be edited separately, and the resulting > page is largely empty. I think it's not worth all this 'extra', if we > can find a home for that link somewhere else. > Of course if we could directly include the reference on the page, then > it would make a lot more sense... > Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?... > >> >>> Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I >>> consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to >>> help you find the right subsection. >> >> The Learn page happens to be that, an overview with links leading to >> the sub-pages. But not all of the main menu pages are strictly an >> overview. For example, the Community page has content of its own, that >> does not have any sub-pages. And there are sub-pages or sub-menu >> items which are not previewed on the main Community page. >> > - Right :) >>> I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons. >> >> I don't understand what you mean about duplication of links. >> > - The link would be on the Manual page *and* on the Learn page. That's > two, because I'd want to keep it next to the manual in any case ;) (just > as the tutorials are duplicates, and they are a pain to edit, when you > need to find out their respective links for all those languages. Because > of the plugin links, simple copy-paste doesn't work, either...) > >> I guess I would not mind it being on Books and Manuals page, if it was >> re-named Books, Manuals, Reference, or something that indicates the >> Keys reference might be there And I see that the command line ref is >> there too. I didn't realize that was there. It must have been added >> since the last time I looked at that page. >> >> So if the menu item and page name indicates that references are there, >> it gives visitors a clue. If I were an Inkscape user who hasn't >> figured out how to use the Help menu, I probably would not guess that >> I could find the Keys ref on the Books page. >> >> Books, Manuals and Refs is probably too long for the menu. How about >> just Manuals and Reference. Because books about Inkscape really are >> manuals anyway. Or maybe "Manuals, Reference"? >> > - How about the more standard 'Documentation' or 'Docs and Literature'? > But yes, that's essentially what I'd like most. It would collect things > that belong together on one page, and make it quite clear what that page > is about. > I'm only a little hesitant about renaming the page, because other people > may have linked to it... *If* we change the name, we should create a > redirect (so old links will still lead to the page), and also be very > certain about the new name, so we won't change it another time (and need > another redirect). > > Probably Hinerangi or Martin may have some opinion about this, too, as > it touches usability and naming preferences ;) > > Regards, > Maren > >> Thanks for discussion :-) >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> >> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:17 PM >> To: "Donna Benjamin" <do...@kattekrab.net>; "Brynn" <br...@frii.com> >> Cc: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> okay, so let me explain why I thought it would be good if the link to >>> the keyboard reference lived in 'Books and Manuals'. >>> >>> To me, a keyboard reference is something that should be part of the >>> manual. It belongs into the 'documentation' section. >>> We do not have a page called 'Documentation', but the thing which is >>> nearest to this is 'Manual'. >>> I would not want to delete it from that page again, because it (for >>> me...) so clearly belongs there. >>> >>> I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item >>> would then lead to a page with only a single link on it. >>> This would not make too much sense, in my opinion. >>> >>> Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I >>> consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to >>> help you find the right subsection. >>> I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons. >>> We will have to exchange the link in several places for the next version >>> and for (up to) 12 languages. That's the kind of work I would like to >>> avoid - the links are version specific, unfortunately. >>> >>> If we add it in to the section overview page, too, someone needs to want >>> to do all the exchange work. I have done this for one Inkscape version >>> (almost) alone already, and I'd really be happy if it would be limited >>> to the strictly necessary. >>> >>> If you still want to add it, we can do so, of course - majority vote ;) >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Maren >>> >>> Am 23.05.2015 um 19:21 schrieb Donna Benjamin: >>>> I'd say it makes sense to reference the shortcuts from the learn page. >>>> >>>> Via mobile. >>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2015, at 4:12 am, Brynn <br...@frii.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Maren and all, >>>>> I think it's neither a book or a manual, so I have some concern >>>>> about it being on that page. The new FAQ item sounds great though! >>>>> I guess you must have a reason for not having it on the >>>>> Learn page? >>>>> I understand about not being in the menu. I don't agree, but I >>>>> understand. >>>>> But to me, Learn page seems more appropriate. >>>>> Discuss? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brynn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:49 PM >>>>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref? >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>> I would link them from 'Books and Manuals' and from the FAQ >>>>>>> ('Where can >>>>>>> I find a list of keyboard commands?' or similar), I wouldn't >>>>>>> create an >>>>>>> extra menu item for this, and those are the pages where I would >>>>>>> look for >>>>>>> this kind of info. >>>>>> I have just added the proposed links to those pages: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Where_to_find_a_list_of_all_keyboard_shortcuts >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/books/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Any improvement suggestions before I send this out to translators >>>>>> (and >>>>>> translate myself)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Maren >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
