Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Hi, Fred, Your response keeps raising the same issues that I think we agree upon: - PMTUD always has the possibility of creating black holes (whether in the presence of multipath or not) - PLPMTUD can generate cases where the MIN isn't actually detected and some claims with which I

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > HI, Fred, > > On 5/3/2017

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:47 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Hi, Fred, > > Your

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

HI, Fred, On 5/3/2017 1:07 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > Hi Joe, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:47 AM >> To: Templin, Fred L >> Cc: int-area@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action:

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Winnowing down... I think we're converging. Let me know if not... Joe On 5/3/2017 2:24 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > ... > I thought for multipoint tunnels all egress' had to have the same reassembly > MTU? Or, if taking the minimum, that minimum value could be conveyed in > the MTU option in a

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:38 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt > > Winnowing down... I think

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-05.txt

Winding down to the last part: (I agree that encryption or mimicry is useful only when it works, but not much more can be said than that) On 5/3/2017 2:59 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > The problem is that if there are N paths in the multipath the ingress has > no way of knowing that it has