Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Fernando Gont
Tom, On 7/8/19 04:50, Tom Herbert wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:17 PM Fernando Gont wrote: >> >> Hello, Alissa, >> >> Thanks for your comments! Inline... >> >> On 6/8/19 23:30, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: >>> >>> --

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Tom Herbert
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:17 PM Fernando Gont wrote: > > Hello, Alissa, > > Thanks for your comments! Inline... > > On 6/8/19 23:30, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: > > > > -- > > DISCUSS: > >

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 07-Aug-19 13:06, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Brian, I would think the text just above the paragraph Alissa quoted > would already cover what you ask for. It begins: > Developers SHOULD NOT develop new protocols or applications that > rely on IP fragmentation. Well yes, so the "unless"

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Fernando Gont
Hello, Alissa, Thanks for your comments! Inline... On 6/8/19 23:30, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: > > -- > DISCUSS: > -- > > Thanks for writing this

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Joe Touch
Yeah, but that’s the rub. If we accept the status-quo of a failure to deploy devices that allow a valid protocol capability this way, we’ve basically deprecated it. That’s the bad idea that we’ve tried hard to avoid, IMO. Joe > On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Brian, I

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Brian, I would think the text just above the paragraph Alissa quoted would already cover what you ask for. It begins: Developers SHOULD NOT develop new protocols or applications that rely on IP fragmentation. Yours, Joel On 8/6/2019 8:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 07-Aug-19

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 07-Aug-19 12:11, Alissa Cooper wrote: > Hi Tom, > >> On Aug 6, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Tom Herbert wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:30 PM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker >> wrote: >>> >>> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: Discuss

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Joel M. Halpern
As far as I can tell (as a mostly observer who is now shepherding this document) the working group seemed very reluctant to get too specific about what were or were not constrained environments where fragmentation might (reasonably?) be expected (or not expected) to work. I fear that trying

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Alissa Cooper
Hi Tom, > On Aug 6, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Tom Herbert wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:30 PM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker > wrote: >> >> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Tom Herbert
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:30 PM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: > > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC

Re: [Int-area] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-13

2019-08-06 Thread Alissa Cooper
Pete, thanks for your review. Fred, thanks for updating the text. I entered a DISCUSS ballot to chat about Section 6.1. Alissa > On Jul 6, 2019, at 1:11 AM, Pete Resnick wrote: > > On 5 Jul 2019, at 10:00, Fred Baker wrote: > >>> In Section 2.1 and 2.2, Instead of "set to one" and "set to

[Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-06 Thread Alissa Cooper via Datatracker
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to