Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Tom Herbert
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:43 PM to...@strayalpha.com wrote: > > Hi, Tom, > > > On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Tom Herbert wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:17 PM to...@strayalpha.com > > wrote: > >> > >> FWIW, GRO/GSO give no end of headaches to the idea of new TCP options, > >> esp. the

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Ease up, Joe - just ease up. > -Original Message- > From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > to...@strayalpha.com > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 3:44 PM > To: Tom Herbert > Cc: int-area@ietf.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Int-area] IP parcels > > EXT email:

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread to...@strayalpha.com
Hi, Tom, > On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Tom Herbert wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:17 PM to...@strayalpha.com > wrote: >> >> FWIW, GRO/GSO give no end of headaches to the idea of new TCP options, esp. >> the current ones to extend option space after the SYN >>

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
You know, this all stems back to the "qe reset" bug - do you all remember that? Tom might, as a former Sun guy - Bob Hinden maybe too. Or maybe that was even before your time? I think a guy named Rusty Young helped us diagnose it. Anyone remember him?

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Tom Herbert
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:17 PM to...@strayalpha.com wrote: > > FWIW, GRO/GSO give no end of headaches to the idea of new TCP options, esp. > the current ones to extend option space after the SYN > (draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-edo). GRO and GSO are software implementations and in most deployments > >

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread to...@strayalpha.com
FWIW, GRO/GSO give no end of headaches to the idea of new TCP options, esp. the current ones to extend option space after the SYN (draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-edo). Although I appreciate their zeal for optimization, implementers of GRO/GSO still need to play by the rules of TCP and UDP. It’s not clear

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Folks, Thanks Christian for explaining how GSO/GRO are used by Quic implementations. So the use is not mandated in Quic RFCs but rather used in implementations. I found this presentation by Intel:

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2022-01-27 Thread Christian Huitema
On 12/20/2021 10:03 AM, Templin (US), Fred L wrote: Tom, sorry I will try to use my words more carefully; I am using GSO/GRO also for a UDP-based transport protocol – not QUIC but something similar. I like GSO/GRO very much; I am glad the service is available and I want to see it continue.

Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

2022-01-27 Thread Luigi Iannone
Hi Geoff, Dirk, I wanted to add a couple of comments on your excellent points, see inline. (trimmed a little bit of the text) Ciao L. > On 27 Jan 2022, at 08:51, Dirk Trossen > wrote: > [snip] > > There is also a second factor, that of sunk cost. Nobody wants to pay to > upgrade