Tom, I find your draft very interesting. I have a couple of questions: - what kind of applications are capable of sending signals/requests to the network? - Section 2.3 Network Services: do you see UE sending signals to the network? Or should it be the Application Controller notify all potential ingress nodes (i.e. UPFs) - is the signal to the network reflected by the Transport Protocol? - Can IPv6 extension header or flow labels be used to indicate its request to the network?
Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Int-area <int-area-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tom Herbert Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 9:24 AM To: to...@strayalpha.com Cc: int-area <int-area@ietf.org>; tsvwg <ts...@ietf.org>; Michael Richardson <mcr+i...@sandelman.ca> Subject: Re: [Int-area] New Version Notification for draft-herbert-net2hostsig-00.txt On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 8:10 PM to...@strayalpha.com<mailto:to...@strayalpha.com> <to...@strayalpha.com<mailto:to...@strayalpha.com>> wrote: > > I’ve already commented on other lists, but to state here, IMO, UDP options > exist in a space that the UDP header makes available. I do not think it is > ever appropriate to use transport headers or signals to communicate with > network devices. Joe, I tend to agree, but there are a couple of proposals in tsvwg for this so it is referenced in the draft for completeness trying to cover as much as possible. Tom > > Joe > > — > Dr. Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.s > trayalpha.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C0689ac4 > ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7 > C638315942723729557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj > oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FYKpk > kDA1h83b6eqgTObg5ffxrRbr5tDuK8GbGRnY4M%3D&reserved=0 > > On Sep 27, 2023, at 4:10 PM, Tom Herbert > <tom=40herbertland....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:tom=40herbertland....@dmarc.ietf.org>> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I've posted a use case and motivation document for Host to Network Signaling. > > I apologize for cross posting, but I believe this most likely falls in > the intarea, however we've seen some proposals that could use a common > protocol framework being presented in tsvwg. > > The goal of this document is to motivate discussion on the topic, and > I believe that it may be significant enough to warrant work on this in > IETF. > > Please review and comment! > > Thanks, > Tom > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: <internet-dra...@ietf.org<mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org>> > Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4:09 PM > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-net2hostsig-00.txt > To: Tom Herbert <t...@herbertland.com<mailto:t...@herbertland.com>> > > > A new version of Internet-Draft draft-herbert-net2hostsig-00.txt has > been successfully submitted by Tom Herbert and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-herbert-net2hostsig > Revision: 00 > Title: Host to Network Signaling > Date: 2023-09-27 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 22 > URL: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-herbert-net2hostsig-00.txt&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C0689ac4ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638315942723729557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6VoMcqP0wedXT43V4H4ARIaLZqy9KpYtAuoRXCGmVUM%3D&reserved=0 > Status: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-herbert-net2hostsig%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C0689ac4ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638315942723729557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gE4Lu%2FfRdqbq3ElQTj3tbKkNZ1IhJy81TvTpYhB7J7Q%3D&reserved=0 > HTMLized: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-herbert-net2hostsig&data=05%7C01 > %7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C0689ac4ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0 > fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638315942723729557%7CUnknown > %7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ > XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NWqJ9HwJFEZRu%2B35DMO8TZGhO6OmbgGiXG > suFKqaFkQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > Abstract: > > This document discusses the motivations, use cases, and requirements > for Host to Network Signaling. In Host to Network Signaling, a hosts > annotate packets with information that is intended for consumption by > on-path elements. Signals may be used to request services on a per > packet basis from on-path elements to request admission into the > network or to provide diagnostics and tracing information. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org<mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fint-area&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%4 > 0futurewei.com%7C0689ac4ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c > 753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638315942723729557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey > JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300 > 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5K1ChRkr46TqsY822W797SerrLUp%2B8NvxNrAnUyyCIs%3D&rese > rved=0 > > _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org<mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fint-area&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C0689ac4ab0c247d77bfe08dbc0f7cb4d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638315942723729557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5K1ChRkr46TqsY822W797SerrLUp%2B8NvxNrAnUyyCIs%3D&reserved=0
_______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
