Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-17 Thread Fernando Gont
On 16/1/19 16:26, Tom Herbert wrote: > Ron, > > A stateless firewall that maintains state is no longer a stateless > firewall. Introducing state requires memory and additional logic that > are at odds with the goal of cheap low end devices.. > > A stateless firewall could just drop the first

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-16 Thread Joe Touch
FWIW... On 1/16/2019 11:26 AM, Tom Herbert wrote: > ...A stateless firewall could just drop the first fragment that > contains the transport layer header and allow non first fragments to > past. This achieves the filtering goal to prevent delivery of the > reassmbled packet. That works only if

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-16 Thread Ron Bonica
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom > Herbert) > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 11:40 AM Ron Bonica wrote: > > > > Inline….. > > > > > > > > From: Tom Herbert > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:27 PM &

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-16 Thread Tom Herbert
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 11:40 AM Ron Bonica wrote: > > Inline….. > > > > From: Tom Herbert > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:27 PM > To: Ron Bonica > Cc: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom > Herbert) > >

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-16 Thread Ron Bonica
Inline….. From: Tom Herbert Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:27 PM To: Ron Bonica Cc: int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert) On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 6:17 PM Ron Bonica mailto:rbon...@juniper.net> wrote: Tom, Please take a look at Sect

Re: [Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-16 Thread Tom Herbert
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 6:17 PM Ron Bonica Tom, > > Please take a look at Section 4.3 (Stateless Firewalls). How can the > stateless firewall behave optimally without maintaining state? > Ron, A stateless firewall that maintains state is no longer a stateless firewall. Introducing state requires

[Int-area] WGLC on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-05 (Tom Herbert)

2019-01-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Tom, Please take a look at Section 4.3 (Stateless Firewalls). How can the stateless firewall behave optimally without maintaining state? While flow labels may help in the case of load balancers, the don't help at all in the case of stateless firewalls.