RE: [Keelynet] anomolous energy research

2005-10-25 Thread Carrigan, Ken
Jer, et al,
Some time ago (years), jnlabs did experiments with 'CFR' using tungsten
as the cathode, with COP>1 results proportional to voltage (current)
input. Results seemed to indicate that a very hot plasma cathode is
needed, and that hydrogen trapped around the cathode is excited and
gives the incandescence glow - which then produces the results. From
these experiments, he moved on to Free Energy from Atomic Hydrogen with
the ( MAHG )http://jlnlabs.imars.com/mahg/index.htm leaving CFR behind.
Before these experiment, or sometime around them, he had used a Carbon
Rod to make Bingo Fuel COH2. In all these experiments, however, the
cathode is giving up 'matter', resulting in pitting plating of residual
matter. If the cathode is not replaced after XX hours, the experiment
slowly fades and does not give COP>1 results. What is missing from the
equations of energy is this missing pitting. Is the cathode 'chemically'
giving up energy from the pitting? Both tungsten and carbon cathodes are
eaten away and must form part of the resultant energy gain. The Bingo
fuel uses this carbon cathode to form hydro carbons, and then reburned.
So the carbon depletion of the cathode is necessary and forms part of
the energy balance equation. Take away from one, to form something else,
one has to consider and take account for all matter/energy used in the
experiment. No free lunches, and certainly no free energy. The loss of
carbon from the cathode equates to loss of energy from the cathode, I
suspect the same is true for the tungsten rod. If platinum were to be
used, it might not give up matter - only electrons, but then again,
COP>1 will probably not occur do to the cathode not giving up matter.

It is the weak electromagnetic force which holds atoms and molecules
together which is unaccounted for in each of these experiments, and the
recombination of cathode atoms into lower/higher form of
energy/molecules. The Cathode is not a catalyst.

v/r
Ken Carrigan

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His work is interesting, but I am going more for a steady state effect,
whereas most of his research is directed I believe toward rail gun and
water explosion drilling and launching systems.  I am aware of the
carbon arc phenomena, and am considering trying it under water as well
as testing the tungsten rods and titanium core spark plug I have.

One paper I find intriguing is at
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/samplearticle.pdf page 79,
"Nuclear Transmutation Reaction Caused by Light Water Electrolysis on
Tungsten Cathode Under Incandescent Conditions".  Many others have
repeated these experiments and gotten over 200% energy out vs in, but no
one that I know of has exceeded 300%.

Then on http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue32/iccf8.html we
have this tidbit of interesting information:
---
An interesting connection: Storms discovered that the excess heat effect
does not take place in the Pt bulk, but rather in layers of deposited
material on the surface of the Pt. When he cleaned this Pt surface off
by scrubbing the metal and placing it in boiling water, the effect went
away for a while until another layer of deposited material grew on the
metal surface. Mobberley takes this a step further, moving the reaction
site away from the metal to holes in a ceramic--in fact, he employs a
pepper-shaker (known as a "pepper-pot" in the UK). Rothwell's first
reaction was to say that this removes metal from the picture altogether
and makes the effect look like something that happens in water, but
Mallove reminded him that there is a great deal of lithium in the highly
concentrated electrolyte used by Mobberley.
---

Additional information on these experiments can be found at:

http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/74naudin.html
http://www.amasci.com/weird/anode.txt
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/eccles/1eccles.htm
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTconfirmatia.pdf
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue26/deviceupdate.html
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/files/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/html/cfr10.htm
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/html/cfrtpwr.htm

Some of these experiments have deteremined that a glow extends out 1/2
inch or so from the plasma into the water, a possible indicate of
Cherenkov radiation.

>From what I have been able to determine, it is necessary to get an area
of plasma to get these anomalous results.  In the experiments referenced
above this is accomplished by letting the solution reach temperatures
near boiling, so that at the cathode, or the hole in the pepper shaker,
steam is produced, forcing the current to travel through the steam,

Re: [Keelynet] anomolous energy research

2005-10-25 Thread Marshall Dudley
His work is interesting, but I am going more for a steady state effect,
whereas most of his research is directed I believe toward rail gun and water
explosion drilling and launching systems.  I am aware of the carbon arc
phenomena, and am considering trying it under water as well as testing the
tungsten rods and titanium core spark plug I have.

One paper I find intriguing is at
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/samplearticle.pdf page 79,
"Nuclear Transmutation Reaction Caused by Light Water Electrolysis on
Tungsten Cathode Under Incandescent Conditions".  Many others have repeated
these experiments and gotten over 200% energy out vs in, but no one that I
know of has exceeded 300%.

Then on http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue32/iccf8.html we have
this tidbit of interesting information:
---
An interesting connection: Storms discovered that the excess heat effect
does not take place in the Pt bulk, but rather in layers of deposited
material on the surface of the Pt. When he cleaned this Pt surface off by
scrubbing the metal and placing it in boiling water, the effect went away
for a while until another layer of deposited material grew on the metal
surface. Mobberley takes this a step further, moving the reaction site away
from the metal to holes in a ceramic--in fact, he employs a pepper-shaker
(known as a "pepper-pot" in the UK). Rothwell's first reaction was to say
that this removes metal from the picture altogether and makes the effect
look like something that happens in water, but Mallove reminded him that
there is a great deal of lithium in the highly concentrated electrolyte used
by Mobberley.
---

Additional information on these experiments can be found at:

http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/74naudin.html
http://www.amasci.com/weird/anode.txt
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/eccles/1eccles.htm
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTconfirmatia.pdf
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue26/deviceupdate.html
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/files/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/html/cfr10.htm
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/html/cfrtpwr.htm

Some of these experiments have deteremined that a glow extends out 1/2 inch
or so from the plasma into the water, a possible indicate of Cherenkov
radiation.

>From what I have been able to determine, it is necessary to get an area of
plasma to get these anomalous results.  In the experiments referenced above
this is accomplished by letting the solution reach temperatures near
boiling, so that at the cathode, or the hole in the pepper shaker, steam is
produced, forcing the current to travel through the steam, producing an arc
or plasma.  Another possible way to do this would be to use the "ampere
longitudinal force" to separate a column of liquid inside a tube to produce
the same effect, but at temperatures far below that of boiling water.
However this would likely have to be done with a pulsating current, so that
the column collapses and then blows apart again. The simple act of blowing
apart a column using these forces also appears to generate anomalous energy
as evidenced by experiments with thin wires using ampere longitudinal force
to segment the wires. This is more like what Graneau was doing, and I will
likely blow my column container (a glass or ceramic rod) apart if I can get
the currents up high enough to get this force to separate the column of
water, but I am wanting to try it anyway.  I have a 15 KV @ 120 mA supply,
and plan to construct a .1 or .2 uF 20 KV cap to supply large pulse
currents.

I have acquired lithium carbonate to experiment with as one of the
electrolytes (baking soda, or sodium hydrogen carbonate, and sodium chloride
will be another ones), but lithium carbonate is sparingly soluble.  I plan
to react it with vinegar (acetic acid), to produce lithium acetate, which is
highly soluble, and will also provide some carbon atoms, which may enhance
the effect (carbon arcs as you indicated below can also give excess energy).

I will keep everyone posted on the results.

BTW, I have an article that is to be published in the Jan/Feb issue of
Infinite Energy (they keep pushing it back though) on a simply and
repeatable way to use a form of Maxwell's demon to produce electricity
directly from ambient temperature with no "cold sink" in violation of the
second law of thermodynamics.  Once it is published I will make details of
the experiment known to this group.  Unfortunately the amount of power this
produces is minuscule, but is still sufficient to demonstrate the
falsification of the second law in a macro system.

Marshall



Jerry Decker - KN wrote:

> Hola Marshall!
>
> I'm not but be sure to get whatever you can on the experiments of Peter
> Graneau with water arcs...and there is a company or two I can't recall
> the name of offhand that uses carbon arcs to burn hotter and produce
> more energy..

Re: [Keelynet] anomolous energy research

2005-10-24 Thread Jerry Decker - KN

Hola Marshall!

I'm not but be sure to get whatever you can on the experiments of Peter 
Graneau with water arcs...and there is a company or two I can't recall 
the name of offhand that uses carbon arcs to burn hotter and produce 
more energy...as I recall there are disputes between claimants of this 
technology but it held promise as everything converts back to carbon 
according to Walter Russell.


Marshall Dudley wrote:

Is anyone here doing any experimenting with incandescent electrolysis,
underwater arcs, or Ampere Longitudal Forces for anomolous energy
generation.  I have purchased a number of items to begin experimenting
on these subjects, and was wondering if anyone else has done so, or is
planning on doing do.  If so, exchanging information on what works and
what doesn't will assist us along our path.

Marshall





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