Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-11 Thread rown

Hi
Joseph
Wouldn't it be more satisfying to give it to the poor or one of the poor 
will kill you and create a revolution ether way and to hell with the 
Government insertions they only support a wasteful filthy bully system what 
are you going to spend it all on ?only the rich will save more money will 
the Government be holey reliant on you for tax returns .

pastime for a revolution be free .

AL R


- Original Message - 
From: Joseph Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Interact interact@listserv.capital-master.com
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity



Hello all,
That system that Tesla used in his electric
Pierce Arrow was re-discovered when the secret of
the Flying Saucer's energy derivation was found.
It takes a little bit of money to develop it, but
your All-Electric Car or even Flying Car,
Electric Aircraft (VTOL) and Real Spacecraft
will come into being. (The Nasa propulsion
Engineers, making 200-300K per year did not like
it, as they would be out of a job. Who needs them
if with this system we can fly to the Moon in a
few hours or Mars in a day?). Of course when some
Government sources have their fingers in the oil
and gas pie they will not like it either,
specially when that system can also be used to
give every dwelling on earth free electric power.
Who is this Sir Branson, with his Billions that
could be used to start the next Industrial
Revolution?
And I do not care about the meter, the tax paid
by the buyer for this type of unit should be
enough, besides it will create a army of
electriciens and installers, not to mention the
manufacturers of electric heating and cooling
systems.
No suicide is planned ever!
The complete circuitry is given to some trusted
people in Europe, the USA and Canada.
They will slather it all over the net if
something happens of evil intent to inventor.
And if one country then decides to use it, who is
going to stop it when the people of other
countries hear about it?
Like when the witnesses to the Patent Application
said: My God, why did nobody think about that
before, it is so simple...!
The Hudson Institute (Dr. Kahn) evaluated it at
$600 Billion when it was found, but the
invention, offered to Canada as a Birthday
Present in 1967 was ridiculed by the (so-called)
Canadian National Research Council, the
Scientific Arm of the Canadian Government, up to
four months after the patent was granted, after
which they realized that they now had lost face
and decided to keep on dumping on it. No
financial aid to the inventor..
Regards all, JH





Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-11 Thread Joseph Hiddink
Hi all,

Giving it to the poor would be nice, but what do
you mean?
The piles of money I would make will go there
anyway. 
Giving something away for free is never
appreciated as I found out the hard way.
You will be called an idiot, and the people that
receive your gift will laugh behind your back.
Do not give a fish, give a fishing rod and let
them catch a fish themselves is the better way.

.
--- rown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
 Joseph
 Wouldn't it be more satisfying to give it to
 the poor or one of the poor 
 will kill you and create a revolution ether way
 and to hell with the 
 Government insertions they only support a
 wasteful filthy bully system what 
 are you going to spend it all on ?only the rich
 will save more money will 
 the Government be holey reliant on you for tax
 returns .
 pastime for a revolution be free .
 
 AL R



Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-11 Thread Stuart Rae


Hi Joseph et al !


Joseph Hiddink wrote:


Giving something away for free is never
appreciated as I found out the hard way.
 


I agree with you absolutely.


Do not give a fish, give a fishing rod and let
them catch a fish themselves is the better way.
 


And thank you for a loan of YOUR fishing rod Joseph.
With it I have since made a couple of variations of your single plate 
capacitor.  



The last one was about nine inches in diameter, and in addition, it was 
carefully coated with several layers of clear gloss insulating  varnish. 
I supported it from the inside on a plastic rod insulator, and mounted a 
specially designed external element, for the collection and transfer of 
free atmospheric electrons.  



It had only been charged up for a minute or two when, much to my 
surprise, there was a loud 'crack', and in the corner of my eye I saw an 
electric spark leap out of nowhere, onto the collection element.  The 
spark was about three eighths to half an inch long .  It made such a 
noise that my wife clearly heard it in an adjacent room and wondered 
what I'd blown up this time . :-)



I have since had to put it aside temporarily.  (1) to give its practical 
applications some more thought, and (2) to finish a new variation of a 
motionless electric generator that I'm making for a close friend.  It 
uses resonant toggled fields rather than the switched magnetic fields of 
a conventional MEG. 



So once again, thank you for the fishing rod Joseph. When I've got it 
all under control, and it's heating the element in my hot water 
cylinder, I'll let you know.



Regards,


S. R.

There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious fact,
Sherlock Holmes .







Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-11 Thread Joseph Hiddink
Hello Stuart,
Be extremely careful, you could easily zap by
mistake your computer, HiFi and TV and those of
your neighbors, like I did with my initial
experiment. You also could zap yourself, if you
are in a close position. Best to activate any
switches with long plastic rods, rather than
depending on something that by itself starts a
resonant signal that you cannot turn off in time.
A pulse like this can also zap your electronic
watch and cell-phone.
--- Stuart Rae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Joseph et al !
 
 Joseph Hiddink wrote:
 Giving something away for free is never
 appreciated as I found out the hard way.

 I agree with you absolutely.
 
 Do not give a fish, give a fishing rod and let
 them catch a fish themselves is the better
 way.
   
 And thank you for a loan of YOUR fishing rod
 Joseph.
 With it I have since made a couple of
 variations of your single plate 
 capacitor.  
 
 The last one was about nine inches in diameter,
 and in addition, it was 
 carefully coated with several layers of clear
 gloss insulating  varnish. 
 I supported it from the inside on a plastic rod
 insulator, and mounted a 
 specially designed external element, for the
 collection and transfer of 
 free atmospheric electrons.  
 
 It had only been charged up for a minute or two
 when, much to my 
 surprise, there was a loud 'crack', and in the
 corner of my eye I saw an 
 electric spark leap out of nowhere, onto the
 collection element.  The 
 spark was about three eighths to half an inch
 long .  It made such a 
 noise that my wife clearly heard it in an
 adjacent room and wondered 
 what I'd blown up this time . :-)
 
 I have since had to put it aside temporarily. 
 (1) to give its practical 
 applications some more thought, and (2) to
 finish a new variation of a 
 motionless electric generator that I'm making
 for a close friend.  It 
 uses resonant toggled fields rather than the
 switched magnetic fields of 
 a conventional MEG. 
 
 So once again, thank you for the fishing rod
 Joseph. When I've got it 
 all under control, and it's heating the element
 in my hot water 
 cylinder, I'll let you know.
 
 Regards,
 
 
 S. R.


 There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious
 fact,
  Sherlock Holmes .
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-10 Thread Mitch
 Hello all! To answer your question, Philip, Yes, it is that difficult to 
accomplish the goal of Free Energy. There are many reasons why this is so, 
but I think that J.P. Morgan said it best when he told Tesla, 'where do you 
put the meter?' I have no idea where most of you hail from, but I live in 
Alaska, U.S.A. Up here, our entire State Operating Budget is derived from 
royalties and taxes from fossil fuels. The State is currently engaged on two 
new fronts; the opening of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to new oil 
development, and the building of a new Trans-Continental natural gas line. 
Both of these projects have one goal in mind, and that is to get money for 
the State. Period. While the State does pay 'lip service' to the 
environmentalist's, at the same time it seeks to capitalize on fossil fuels. 
They know darn well that they can't have it both ways, so they choose the 
money over all else. This is the environment that we operate in. If you had 
a 'free energy' generator, you would no longer have to buy juice from the 
grid, or buy heating fuel and gasoline from Exxon, and the State would 
receive no taxes. The entire system is aligned against us, and our 
endeavors. It is an impossibility that the State of Alaska, (or the U.S.), 
will allow a real 'free energy' device to exist anywhere on this planet. It 
is too great a threat to its fiscal health. Any inventor with a serious 
challenge to the energy status quo will simply be 'suicided', and his 
invention secreted away. Every Country and citizen on Earth is subject to 
this reality, through the hegemonic actions of the U.S. and Britain, who are 
wholly controlled by the energy monopolies. Across the Midwest of my 
country, many people are currently engaged in the production of 'alternative 
fuels'. This is allowed to happen because it creates a product that must be 
purchased repeatedly, over and over, just like oil. To build this kind of 
financial system is good business, and the American way since Rockeffellor. 
I suppose you have heard of Sir Richard Branson ( Virgin Air) pledging 3 
Billion dollars of his own money to research 'new energy's'. Even Sir 
Richard will be told what to do with any real discoveries he might make. So 
the problem is not whether a machine Can exist, but whether it is Allowed to 
exist. Personally, I am tired of paying the rental fees, (gasoline), to 
operate my car, which I own outright. The Monarchs never went away, they 
just crept into the shadows.
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From: Phillip Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Interact interact@listserv.capital-master.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity


Hello.  More warm water/cold water free energy wheels.  Here are a few 
problems as I perceive them.  First, what separates the 2 waters?  Any 
membrane that you interject between the two waters would subject the 
spinning wheel to some friction  drag and drain away energy from the 
wheel. Without a membrane of separation, osmosis would mix the 2 waters. 
A vertical separation of cold and hot is hard to accomplish.  Since warm 
water rises, a cool bottom tank and a warm upper tank seems much more 
likely but even the slow spinning of the wheel would mix the waters. 
Harnessing the energy created would likely slow the wheel to a stop. 
Also, warm water needs heating, thus energy input, another minus in the 
free energy mix.  Look, a simple water wheel in a running stream is 
perpetual.  A wind mill is perpetual.  Clocks have been created that will 
run 'forever' using barometric pressure to wind them up.  A machine that 
harnesses the ebb and flow of the oceans' tides has been created.  All of 
these machines can be classed as free energy and are subject to normal 
wear and tear on bearings and such but we expect that.  However, 
harnessing mundane natural forces are not going to solve the energy needs 
of modern man.  10,000 or 100,000 windmills turning in the wind still 
require care and upkeep and won't keep America or the world powered.  What 
we really desire is the device that will tap into the harmonic songs of 
energy flowing throughout the universe.  An electrical outlet tapped into 
the ether that we can plug our world into.  Tesla, Brown, Keely, 
Townsend... these are the Wright Brothers of energy who have illuminated 
the path.  Friends, Einstein said that the man who unlocks the secret of 
the magnet will unlock the secret of the universe.  The element Bismuth 
shows promise.  Spinning disks with differences of electrical potential 
upon their surfaces shows promise.  Fluids under high pressure show 
promise.  If we put large solar collectors in space that focused solar 
energy down to the earth's surface, we could reap that reward. A few 
countries now tap into geothermic energy created by the earth's core to 
produce electricity and heat.  Is the goal we seek so hard to accomplish? 
Phillip Mark, central Florida

Re: [Keelynet] differences of potential, vortexes and gravity

2006-11-09 Thread Mitch
, to power 
the next cycle. Simple, Huh? Anyway, there is a new idea to play 
with.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Audun Hassel 
  To: Interact 
  Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Keelynet] differences of 
  potential, vortexes and gravity
  Hello, the theories discussed 
  lately has some similarities with perpetual motion and creating free energy, 
  Its great fun and interesting to try to break the energy laws but no one has 
  succeeded so far. The more complex you build your free energy machine the 
  harder it is to find the error, and in your head you start to believe that 
  this thing simply must work, been there done that. To try to tap into gravity 
  by buoyancy Its probably another area where the energy laws still holds water. 
  Nothing can be created from nothing, and energy is everything so I guess we 
  have to use something to make some energy, which is the same as transferring 
  energy to a different state. So what shall we transform to usable energy?, 
  fossil fuels is a bad solution, tapping gravity and gravity fields I don’t 
  understand a bit of, it may be too advanced for me, but I have seen nothing 
  who is close to working. The solution is probably to tap into renewable energy 
  sources, mostly energy from the sun who creates light, wind, wave, biomass, 
  water with potential energy, heat etc. or the process of the sun itself 
  fusion. Anyway got inspired by the 
  discussion and the simpel wheel in a water tank, well that thing does not 
  work, but why don’t it work, and what can you do to make it work? I used my 
  favourite subjects temperature differences, faze changes and turbines and made 
  this concept, a wheel who works the opposite way of a heat pump, and yes its 
  gravity and buoyancy involved.  Simpler than this I couldn’t draw it, and it just show the principe. 
  It’s like a big bicycle wheel standing up, half in cold water and the other 
  half in warm water. The hose contains a refrigerant which evaporates when 
  heated and condenses when cooled, its chambers in the hose so the refrigerant 
  can’t move along the wheel. When the liquid evaporates in the warm water it 
  creates more volume and more buoyancy, when it cools down and condenses in the 
  cold water it creates less volume and less buoyancy. This will make the wheel 
  spinn and you can tap it with an electric generator. This process will heat 
  the cold water and cool down the warm water and is like I said the opposite of 
  a heat pump. To keep the temperature difference you have to fill up with more 
  cold and hot water. In this system you got very little energy loss, only some 
  small loss from friction. A wild guess is an efficiency of 75% including the 
  generator. Then you only have to get cold and hot water, like cold seawater 
  and a warm river. Warm water can you also get from solar heaters, burning 
  biofuel or garbage, used cooling water and spare heat from nuclear plants, 
  industry, buildings etc. It may also be used to increase efficiency in fossil 
  fuel power plants and opens up for generation of electricity from warm water 
  under the boiling point. Hey I just figured, if you turn it with an engine the 
  opposite way you have a heat pump! Wonder what the efficiency is? Wow this 
  opens up for using it as flexible heat storage.technology is 
  wonderfull! Well I appreciate if 
  anyone has a comment, does this work, does it make sense? If it works I have some nice ideas about how to build a 
  machine and get up the speed, I do 3D all the way to manufacturing, need help 
  on the calculations and the rest ,helpers, business developers and people with 
  fat valets can just send me a mail;) Pardon my English, Audun Hassel, Trondheim, Norway 
  
  


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I love these theories! I can always picture them working. 
  However, a balanced wooden wheel that was half submerged in calm 
  water would push upwards upon both sides of the axle shaft equally, thus 
  voiding lift. The thought of nullified weight immersed in the water 
  and a top-heavy wheel would be subject to the same effect. All top 
  weight in a balanced wheel would press downwards equally, again voiding 
  spin. However, the act of spinning, in and of itself, seems key to 
  solving over-unity and/or anti-grav. Spinnin