Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[Jason H]

 
 

> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 at 10:11 AM
> From: "Roland Hughes" <rol...@logikalsolutions.com>
> To: interest@qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

> On 12/09/2017 08:21 AM,  Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
>>  I already contacted Digia directly and asked them this and other
>>  Questions. Also gave those and more Details. But the only answer after a
>>  few weeks was: "Thanks for contacting us. Please tell us what License
>>  you want to buy" etc. They seem to hate the Open Source Community as
>>  they never answer anything but instead you get contacted by a Sales
>>  Person. So they are not helpful at all. At least from my experience.
> Oliver,
> That has been the experience of EVERY ONE of my clients. When they contact 
> Digia to ask about what is and is not OpenSource sales calls back to tell 
> them even "Hello World" needs a commercial license. So, rather than be > a 
> legitimate player in the OpenSource world, they attempt to be extortionists.
> One thing I have found rather impressive. When your client has a very 
> significant law firm ask the EXACT question, words and all, suddenly sales 
> responds "Go with God my child. You have my blessing."
> Adding insult to injury, when a noob happens upon the Qt Web site, it is 
> almost impossible for them to find and download the OpenSource version. Yes, 
> people on here have saved the links and pass them around, but go there with 
> the eyes of a noob and try to find the OpenSource version without filling out 
> some form asking for as much personal information as Google gathers on 
> everyone daily...
 
> Oh, Oliver. The answer to your question depends on the size and reputation of 
> the lawyers you have asking it. You, me and everyone else will all have sales 
> continue telling us even "Hello World" needs a commercial license.

It's depends on how you want to distribute "Hello World", not the effort 
involved in creating it. In some scenarios, yes it requires a commercial 
license. Licenses are about distribution not creative effort.

FWIW, I've been pleased with the commercial offering, though frustrated at 
times (mainly with patches taking longer to land in mainline), but overall, the 
commercial support got me what I needed to get my software on the market and 
work correctly. 

There's a fantastic book you should read, "The Terrible Truth about Lawyers", 
written by a lawyer. It's great beach reading. Same kind of situation here with 
sales...




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Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[alexander golks]

Am Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:10:25 -0800
schrieb Thiago Macieira :

> On sábado, 9 de dezembro de 2017 10:39:43 PST Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > On 09/12/17 19:39, Thiago Macieira wrote:  
> > > On sábado, 9 de dezembro de 2017 07:51:11 PST Konstantin Tokarev wrote:  
> > >> That's a shame indeed. Redirecting people one by one to
> > >> http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/ doesn't scale well.  
> > > 
> > > It takes two clicks to go from https://qt.io to
> > > https://www.qt.io/download-qt-for-application-development and the open
> > > source version is right there.
> > > 
> > > That is, if you manage to click the "Start free Qt trial" button on the
> > > homepage, since it moves the moment you hover the mouse over it.  
> > 
> > I'm not sure why I would ever assume a "free trial" to take me to the
> > Open Source or Free Software version of something :-/  
> 
> I agree it's not obvious, but it's the most likely entry from the webpage 
> since there's no Download button.
> 

ah, they even made it "Must make 'open' consumer devices" now ;)

(don't remember the exact wording of the previous statement, but sounded like 
"you must/cannot use qt for devices", which simply is wrong...)

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Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[Thiago Macieira]

On sábado, 9 de dezembro de 2017 10:39:43 PST Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 09/12/17 19:39, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > On sábado, 9 de dezembro de 2017 07:51:11 PST Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
> >> That's a shame indeed. Redirecting people one by one to
> >> http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/ doesn't scale well.
> > 
> > It takes two clicks to go from https://qt.io to
> > https://www.qt.io/download-qt-for-application-development and the open
> > source version is right there.
> > 
> > That is, if you manage to click the "Start free Qt trial" button on the
> > homepage, since it moves the moment you hover the mouse over it.
> 
> I'm not sure why I would ever assume a "free trial" to take me to the
> Open Source or Free Software version of something :-/

I agree it's not obvious, but it's the most likely entry from the webpage 
since there's no Download button.

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Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[Thiago Macieira]

On sábado, 9 de dezembro de 2017 07:51:11 PST Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
> That's a shame indeed. Redirecting people one by one to
> http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/ doesn't scale well.

It takes two clicks to go from https://qt.io to 
https://www.qt.io/download-qt-for-application-development and the open source 
version is right there.

That is, if you manage to click the "Start free Qt trial" button on the 
homepage, since it moves the moment you hover the mouse over it.

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  Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center

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Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[Konstantin Tokarev]

> On 12/09/2017 08:21 AM, Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
> 
>> I already contacted Digia directly and asked them this and other
>> Questions. Also gave those and more Details. But the only answer after a
>> few weeks was: "Thanks for contacting us. Please tell us what License
>> you want to buy" etc. They seem to hate the Open Source Community as
>> they never answer anything but instead you get contacted by a Sales
>> Person. So they are not helpful at all. At least from my experience.
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> That has been the experience of EVERY ONE of my clients. When
> they contact Digia to ask about what is and is not OpenSource
> sales calls back to tell them even "Hello World" needs a
> commercial license. So, rather than be a legitimate player in the
> OpenSource world, they attempt to be extortionists.
> 
> One thing I have found rather impressive. When your client has a
> very significant law firm ask the EXACT question, words and all,
> suddenly sales responds "Go with God my child. You have my
> blessing."

Sales are there to sale stuff. Not to provide you free consultations about
Open Source software, its licensing, etc. For these things you should
use different communication channels: mailing lists and IRC.

(Also, if someone has little experience with open source, but is not
limited in money, bying commercial license is indeed might be an
adequate solution)

> 
> Adding insult to injury, when a noob happens upon the Qt Web
> site, it is almost impossible for them to find and download the
> OpenSource version. Yes, people on here have saved the links and
> pass them around, but go there with the eyes of a noob and try to
> find the OpenSource version without filling out some form asking
> for as much personal information as Google gathers on everyone
> daily...

That's a shame indeed. Redirecting people one by one to
http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/ doesn't scale well.

> 
> Oh, Oliver. The answer to your question depends on the size and
> reputation of the lawyers you have asking it. You, me and everyone
> else will all have sales continue telling us even "Hello World"
> needs a commercial license.
> 
> --
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> Logikal Solutions
> (630)-205-1593
> 
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Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

[Roland Hughes]

On 12/09/2017 08:21 AM,  Oliver Niebuhr wrote:

I already contacted Digia directly and asked them this and other
Questions. Also gave those and more Details. But the only answer after a
few weeks was: "Thanks for contacting us. Please tell us what License
you want to buy" etc. They seem to hate the Open Source Community as
they never answer anything but instead you get contacted by a Sales
Person. So they are not helpful at all. At least from my experience.

Oliver,

That has been the experience of EVERY ONE of my clients. When they 
contact Digia to ask about what is and is not OpenSource sales calls 
back to tell them even "Hello World" needs a commercial license. So, 
rather than be a legitimate player in the OpenSource world, they attempt 
to be extortionists.


One thing I have found rather impressive. When your client has a very 
significant law firm ask the EXACT question, words and all, suddenly 
sales responds "Go with God my child. You have my blessing."


Adding insult to injury, when a noob happens upon the Qt Web site, it is 
almost impossible for them to find and download the OpenSource version. 
Yes, people on here have saved the links and pass them around, but go 
there with the eyes of a noob and try to find the OpenSource version 
without filling out some form asking for as much personal information as 
Google gathers on everyone daily...



Oh, Oliver. The answer to your question depends on the size and 
reputation of the lawyers you have asking it. You, me and everyone else 
will all have sales continue telling us even "Hello World" needs a 
commercial license.


--
Roland Hughes, President
Logikal Solutions
(630)-205-1593

http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com
http://www.infiniteexposure.net
http://www.johnsmith-book.com
http://www.logikalblog.com
http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog
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