[Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
Hi everyone, I have a request for an onscreen japanese keyboard for a Qt application. Later it will also have Korean, Russian and a bunch of others. There are several problems with this. For example, should it be a keyboard that shows japanese chars on the keys? If yes, I think there are more than one of those. If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. Thanks, Bo. -- Viking Software Qt and C++ developers for hire http://www.vikingsoft.eu ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Bo Thorsen wrote: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. I am almost as clueless as you but I'll provide one hint that got me once going: QInputMethod :) Harri. ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
A Japanese keyboard is only the smallest part of the problem. An image for such a keyboard you can find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_input_methods The much bigger problem is the kana/kanji conversion. I don't know if there is a platform independent solution. For Linux: http://linux.die.net/man/1/cannaserver I don't think a Japanese keyboard layout without such a server is of any use. Guido On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:40:38 +0100 Bo Thorsen b...@vikingsoft.eu wrote: Hi everyone, I have a request for an onscreen japanese keyboard for a Qt application. Later it will also have Korean, Russian and a bunch of others. There are several problems with this. For example, should it be a keyboard that shows japanese chars on the keys? If yes, I think there are more than one of those. If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. Thanks, Bo. -- Viking Software Qt and C++ developers for hire http://www.vikingsoft.eu ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
Den 16-01-2015 kl. 12:48 skrev Harri Porten: On Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Bo Thorsen wrote: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. I am almost as clueless as you but I'll provide one hint that got me once going: QInputMethod :) The implementation I'm working on has a QLineEdit that shows the current input text. So I simply send synthetic keyboard events to the line edit. This one already has QInputMethod handling, so that part is already covered. Bo. -- Viking Software Qt and C++ developers for hire http://www.vikingsoft.eu ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
El Friday 16 January 2015, Bo Thorsen escribió: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. It's a bit complex. The Japanese language, as far as I know, seems to always require an input system. Either they type romaji (characters in the roman alphabet), and a certain UI allows you to choose between different possibilites, or they type kana (the sillabary). For example, I typed Japanese in Japanese, nihongo, and I was offered 日本語 which is kanji or にほんご which is the same in kana. There are thousands or kanji, but only about 50 kana (actually, in two versions, but that's another story). That means that natives might prefer to type kana, which is what they learn as children, but foreigners might want the romanized version of the word. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. What constraints there are? For Linux the tipical solution is Maliit, but how well the japanese plugin works is an unkown. The website seems a bit broken. I think it heavily used D-Bus, but I saw some post about Windows support. http://web.archive.org/web/20131218195654/https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Page https://web.archive.org/web/20130606035734/https://wiki.maliit.org/Documentation/Installing#From_source_code_.28Windows.29 https://code.google.com/p/maliit-plugin-jp/ https://gitorious.org/maliit-plugin-jp Good luck! -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
Hi, There already is an excellent virtual keyboard for Qt, please see: http://doc.qt.io/QtVirtualKeyboard/index.html This is part of the commercial offering, intended for device creation. As announced at the Qt Developer Days support for Japanese and Korean languages will be added to it. There already are many other languages supported, check the link for a full list. If you want to check it out, you can take the current version for a spin: http://www.qt.io/download/ (select Free 30-day Trial and then Qt for Device Creation from the drop down menu). Yours, Tuukka Turunen Director, RD The Qt Company Piippukatu 11, 40100 Jyväskylä, Finland Email: tuukka.turu...@theqtcompany.com | Mobile: + 358 40 7655 800 www.qt.io |Qt Blog: http://blog.qt.digia.com/ | Twitter: @QtbyDigia, @Qtproject | Facebook: www.facebook.com/qt On 16/01/15 14:53, Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org wrote: El Friday 16 January 2015, Bo Thorsen escribió: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. It's a bit complex. The Japanese language, as far as I know, seems to always require an input system. Either they type romaji (characters in the roman alphabet), and a certain UI allows you to choose between different possibilites, or they type kana (the sillabary). For example, I typed Japanese in Japanese, nihongo, and I was offered 日 本語 which is kanji or にほんご which is the same in kana. There are thousands or kanji, but only about 50 kana (actually, in two versions, but that's another story). That means that natives might prefer to type kana, which is what they learn as children, but foreigners might want the romanized version of the word. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. What constraints there are? For Linux the tipical solution is Maliit, but how well the japanese plugin works is an unkown. The website seems a bit broken. I think it heavily used D-Bus, but I saw some post about Windows support. http://web.archive.org/web/20131218195654/https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Pag e https://web.archive.org/web/20130606035734/https://wiki.maliit.org/Documen tation/Installing#From_source_code_.28Windows.29 https://code.google.com/p/maliit-plugin-jp/ https://gitorious.org/maliit-plugin-jp Good luck! -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
I obviously already told them about this, Tuukka. But the virtual keyboard is not available for Windows and they have been using the LPGL version for 10 years and won't change this decision. Bo. Den 16-01-2015 kl. 14:05 skrev Turunen Tuukka: Hi, There already is an excellent virtual keyboard for Qt, please see: http://doc.qt.io/QtVirtualKeyboard/index.html This is part of the commercial offering, intended for device creation. As announced at the Qt Developer Days support for Japanese and Korean languages will be added to it. There already are many other languages supported, check the link for a full list. If you want to check it out, you can take the current version for a spin: http://www.qt.io/download/ (select Free 30-day Trial and then Qt for Device Creation from the drop down menu). Yours, Tuukka Turunen Director, RD The Qt Company Piippukatu 11, 40100 Jyväskylä, Finland Email: tuukka.turu...@theqtcompany.com | Mobile: + 358 40 7655 800 www.qt.io |Qt Blog: http://blog.qt.digia.com/ | Twitter: @QtbyDigia, @Qtproject | Facebook: www.facebook.com/qt On 16/01/15 14:53, Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org wrote: El Friday 16 January 2015, Bo Thorsen escribió: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. It's a bit complex. The Japanese language, as far as I know, seems to always require an input system. Either they type romaji (characters in the roman alphabet), and a certain UI allows you to choose between different possibilites, or they type kana (the sillabary). For example, I typed Japanese in Japanese, nihongo, and I was offered 日 本語 which is kanji or にほんご which is the same in kana. There are thousands or kanji, but only about 50 kana (actually, in two versions, but that's another story). That means that natives might prefer to type kana, which is what they learn as children, but foreigners might want the romanized version of the word. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. What constraints there are? For Linux the tipical solution is Maliit, but how well the japanese plugin works is an unkown. The website seems a bit broken. I think it heavily used D-Bus, but I saw some post about Windows support. http://web.archive.org/web/20131218195654/https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Pag e https://web.archive.org/web/20130606035734/https://wiki.maliit.org/Documen tation/Installing#From_source_code_.28Windows.29 https://code.google.com/p/maliit-plugin-jp/ https://gitorious.org/maliit-plugin-jp Good luck! -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest -- Viking Software Qt and C++ developers for hire http://www.vikingsoft.eu ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Qt japanese onscreen keyboard
As others have mentioned, japanese kanji input is a hard problem, it is not just an image with buttons what you might think of when you hear virtual keyboard Basically you type one kana and have several kanji to choose from, and the list of kanji to choose from changes depending the context. Just my 2 cents, Harri On 16/01/2015 14:16, Bo Thorsen wrote: I obviously already told them about this, Tuukka. But the virtual keyboard is not available for Windows and they have been using the LPGL version for 10 years and won't change this decision. Bo. Den 16-01-2015 kl. 14:05 skrev Turunen Tuukka: Hi, There already is an excellent virtual keyboard for Qt, please see: http://doc.qt.io/QtVirtualKeyboard/index.html This is part of the commercial offering, intended for device creation. As announced at the Qt Developer Days support for Japanese and Korean languages will be added to it. There already are many other languages supported, check the link for a full list. If you want to check it out, you can take the current version for a spin: http://www.qt.io/download/ (select Free 30-day Trial and then Qt for Device Creation from the drop down menu). Yours, Tuukka Turunen Director, RD The Qt Company Piippukatu 11, 40100 Jyväskylä, Finland Email: tuukka.turu...@theqtcompany.com | Mobile: + 358 40 7655 800 www.qt.io |Qt Blog: http://blog.qt.digia.com/ | Twitter: @QtbyDigia, @Qtproject | Facebook: www.facebook.com/qt On 16/01/15 14:53, Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org wrote: El Friday 16 January 2015, Bo Thorsen escribió: If not, then we'll show the normal ascii chars and do a conversion with the input. As I understand it, this is what the mobile world does? Setting the locale on a line edit to japanese and sending key events doesn't seem to give me any Japanese chars. It's a bit complex. The Japanese language, as far as I know, seems to always require an input system. Either they type romaji (characters in the roman alphabet), and a certain UI allows you to choose between different possibilites, or they type kana (the sillabary). For example, I typed Japanese in Japanese, nihongo, and I was offered 日 本語 which is kanji or にほんご which is the same in kana. There are thousands or kanji, but only about 50 kana (actually, in two versions, but that's another story). That means that natives might prefer to type kana, which is what they learn as children, but foreigners might want the romanized version of the word. Did someone here already implement this? Any pointers? I have done a google search for this, but nothing useful came up. I hope you guys can help. What constraints there are? For Linux the tipical solution is Maliit, but how well the japanese plugin works is an unkown. The website seems a bit broken. I think it heavily used D-Bus, but I saw some post about Windows support. http://web.archive.org/web/20131218195654/https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Pag e https://web.archive.org/web/20130606035734/https://wiki.maliit.org/Documen tation/Installing#From_source_code_.28Windows.29 https://code.google.com/p/maliit-plugin-jp/ https://gitorious.org/maliit-plugin-jp Good luck! -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest
