On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tobias Nyholm
wrote:
> Hey Marco.
>
> The fact that you unprompted (as far as I can tell) decided to in detail
> specify how RMs should make their decision about an RFC is giving me a
> strong signal that you don’t trust the role of the Release Manager. The
> timi
Hey Marco.
I know you are not a bad person and Im sure your intention is to bring more
clarity and to add something that is helpful.
And to state something I hope is obvious: I am not accusing you for trying to
reduce the role of Release Manager or anything else.
> I'm interested in understa
Derick,
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 9:09 PM Derick Rethans wrote:
> That's where I disagree already. The nullable intersections RFC isn't a
> refinement, it's a new feature.
>
And if I had voting powers, that would be exactly my reasoning for voting
no: "Not a Refinement RFC". However, whether a Re
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 5:57 PM Tobias Nyholm
wrote:
>
> Situations like this often requires a judgement call rather than something
> that could be defined as a policy.
> I suggest the release managers always should be in agreement before a RFC
> is created during a “feature freeze”. If the relea
On 24 August 2021 19:53:57 BST, Deleu wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 19:28 Derick Rethans wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Deleu wrote:
>>
>> > We recently had the Nullable Intersection Types RFC process in an
>> > unconventional way starting a new RFC post feature freeze. If memory
>> > serves me
good evening Dan,
First of all, could you please not merge many different mails in one
single reply? Thanks.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 1:43 AM Dan Ackroyd wrote:
> Pierre Joye wrote:
> > Many additions went through while being incomplete.
> >
> For almost all recent RFCS
> > related to syntax, a
> Tobias Nyholm wrote:
>> then the discussion and the vote should not consider “if it is too late”
>> or “this is rushed”.
>
> This is a really bad idea. Previously (but not recently), some of the
> more heated RFC discussions moved from being about the RFC to being
> about what are "right" and
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 19:28 Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Deleu wrote:
>
> > We recently had the Nullable Intersection Types RFC process in an
> > unconventional way starting a new RFC post feature freeze. If memory
> > serves me right, another similar incident happened with the At
Pierre Joye wrote:
> Many additions went through while being incomplete.
> ...
> For almost all recent RFCS
> related to syntax, arguments/return types or properties, I don't think
> it justifies being added while being incomplete.
I think you are remembering how changes were made to PHP through r
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Deleu wrote:
> In order to not be empty-handed, I started a gist that can be seen as
> the starting point for this discussion, available at
> https://gist.github.com/deleugpn/9d0e285f13f0b4fdcfc1d650b20c3105.
4. A Refinement RFC MAY be proposed with a schedule for ending it
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Deleu wrote:
> We recently had the Nullable Intersection Types RFC process in an
> unconventional way starting a new RFC post feature freeze. If memory
> serves me right, another similar incident happened with the Attributes
> RFC which had a syntax that could not be implem
>
> Situations like this often requires a judgement call rather than something
> that could be defined as a policy.
> I suggest the release managers always should be in agreement before a RFC
> is created during a “feature freeze”. If the release managers agree that a
> change can be added, then th
Hi Jordan,
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jordan LeDoux wrote:
> 1. Are too large or complex for voters to make an informed decision about.
This is the real problem. Also you are correct on the cause
(complexity of a topic), I don't think we are not able to understand
complex RFCs.
> 2. Inclu
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:09 PM Pierre Joye wrote:
>
> Many additions went through while being incomplete. It was documented
> so in the RFC but it does not make it a good thing. Many of them are
> indeed much needed and related to features (some) PHP users have been
> waiting for. Are they crit
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