RE: [PHP-DEV] Comments on PHP security

2007-01-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
Stefan, do you truly believe that other languages allow for secure shared hosting without using a setuid or chroot solution? I mean take Ruby, Python, Java, C/C++. Can you point out one of them which would not have the issues that PHP has? I think the problem in this case is that shared hosters

RE: [PHP-DEV] Comments on PHP security

2007-01-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
How familiar are you with Java in shared hosting environments? -Original Message- From: Paweł Stradomski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:12 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Comments on PHP security W liście Andi Gutmans z dnia

RE: [PHP-DEV] Windows build

2007-01-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi Edin, Thanks for trying to get this to work! I think eventually it'll be the right move to go to VC8 but I agree that if it risks a successful 5.2.1 release then it might not be worth doing that right now. If you can share with us a reproducing case we can try and look into it and see if we

RE: [PHP-DEV] Windows build

2007-01-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:28 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'PHP Internals List' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Windows build Hi Andi, Turns out the problem is that Apache is building their binaries using VC6 so wrong CRT gets loaded. The only solution I found was to tell Windows to load Apache

RE: [PHP-DEV] Windows build

2007-01-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
Btw, one more thing which we could consider doing (although it means more work) is to do the nts build with VC 8 and the thread-safe build with VC 6. It'd probably require another machine (either physical or virtual). -Original Message- From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [PHP-DEV] Windows build

2007-01-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
Btw, I just saw that these VC 2005 binaries were with profile guided optimizations. Without those the performance was pretty much the same as the Intel compiler but still far better than VC6. Just wanted to clarify for accuracy. Andi -Original Message- From: Andi Gutmans [mailto

RE: [PHP-DEV] FastCGI optmized Windows build of 5.2.1RC2

2007-01-05 Thread Andi Gutmans
Edin, Thanks for taking care of this! Andi -Original Message- From: Edin Kadribasic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:28 AM To: PHP internals; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] FastCGI optmized Windows build of 5.2.1RC2 Hello, I have made

RE: [PHP-DEV] Dumping support for Windows 98 andWindows ME

2006-12-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'PHP internals' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dumping support for Windows 98 andWindows ME +1 It might be a good idea to keep the latest build of php4/5, that can run on these systems, arround for a while so the users can download them. - Frank Hi all, In the spirit

[PHP-DEV] Dumping support for Windows 98 and Windows ME

2006-12-20 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi all, In the spirit of dumping Win95 support in PHP 5, I'd like to officialy dump Windows 98ME support from this point onwards. We are sticking to old Windows APIs because of this support which doesn't make much sense considering that Microsoft has stopped supporting those platforms six months

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-19 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think that having more than a blackwhite taint mode is actually going to be a mess and smells much more like a safe_mode problem to me than the bw approach. It'll be very easy to explain what the simple approach is and that it assumes that you correctly filter/untaint the data. At the end of the

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-19 Thread Andi Gutmans
Static analysis won't work well enough in PHP. I've been down that path and there's no way it'll be effective enough due to the dynamic nature of the langage. (In Java it can be much more successfully implemented). Btw, I don't see someone doing that foreach and using untaint() being different

RE: [PHP-DEV] display_errors = on

2006-12-16 Thread Andi Gutmans
That's also a solution. Either way works for me. -Original Message- From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:54 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Ilia Alshanetsky'; 'Stanislav Malyshev'; 'PHP internals' Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] display_errors

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
Well you wouldn't have to use tainted mode of course. This can/should be turned off by default. I think having such a mode would be of great help to many users though. It would allow them to find any quirks in their data/input filtering and help them focus on where they should do a better job. Of

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
Well the tool would point the developer at the data they have to validate/filter. At that point the developer has to have a brain and needs to know what he's doing with the data. Fortunately, if he has the right sets of APIs in ext/filter which help him with this task, then it should be clear to

RE: [PHP-DEV] display_errors = on

2006-12-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
Time to turn it off in php.ini-dist in addition to php.ini-recommended? -Original Message- From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Alshanetsky Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:04 PM To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV]

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
I wouldn't worry about the specific interface of an explicit taint/untaint (whether function, case or language construct). That can easily be adjusted later on. -Original Message- From: Wietse Venema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:02 PM To: PHP internals

RE: [PHP-DEV] Run-time taint support proposal

2006-12-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
Lester, I don't quite understand the relevance of PHPEclipse to the issue. And I'm not sure how you judge clogging up PHP without seeing a patch especially as I'm not sure how much PHP internals hacking you've done. Andi -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] New, optimized is_numeric_string, and other number stuff

2006-12-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
I briefly reviewed the patch and it looks interesting. Will take me a bit longer though and I'd also like some others here to do so. In any case, I think it's risky for PHP 5.2.1 and would prefer to defer it to the next release even if I end up being in favor of including the patch. It changes a

RE: [PHP-DEV] Moving COM, Socket mhash to PECL

2006-12-08 Thread Andi Gutmans
I'm OK with all except for COM. I've actually used the COM extension quite a bit internally here for reporting and creating Excel files (see one of my blog postings from about a year ago). I think for those who are on Windows it's a really handy extension. Last time I checked it was also always

RE: [PHP-DEV] new apache fastcgi implementation and php fastcgi patch

2006-11-26 Thread Andi Gutmans
Making the PHP SAPI extension know how to handle static files does not sound like the right solution to me. You should be able to redirect the PHP requests only to PHP's FastCGI (which already works today incl. remotely), and redirect the static content to a Web Server (thttpd or something alike).

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: [PHP-DEV] new apache fastcgi implementation and phpfastcgi patch

2006-11-26 Thread Andi Gutmans
fastcgi, in that way i'm not oblige to maintaine patch to php sapi... and my modification don't modify cgi implementation and are completly compatible with the old fastcgi implementation... Best Regards, Mathieu _ From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [PHP-DEV] cgi.check_shebang_line default value

2006-11-14 Thread Andi Gutmans
opinion. Andi -Original Message- From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:15 PM To: Dmitry Stogov Cc: internals@lists.php.net; Andi Gutmans; Stanislav Malyshev Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] cgi.check_shebang_line default value Hello Dmitry, i

RE: [PHP-DEV] cgi.check_shebang_line default value

2006-11-14 Thread Andi Gutmans
to PHP 5 for a lng time to come and we will continue to support those users as well as we can. Andi -Original Message- From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:16 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Dmitry Stogov'; internals@lists.php.net

RE: [PHP-DEV] fgets()/fgetss() BC break in HEAD

2006-11-13 Thread Andi Gutmans
Sounds like something which indeed isn't worth breaking. Was this intentional? -Original Message- From: Antony Dovgal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:39 PM To: php-dev Subject: [PHP-DEV] fgets()/fgetss() BC break in HEAD Hello all. I'd like to

RE: [PHP-DEV] Namespaces in PHP 6 - ++$take

2006-11-10 Thread Andi Gutmans
Too long of an email to read :) but just wanted to give a heads-up that we haven't forgotten about this (it's on the PHP 6 list). We'll try and come with a proposal in the coming weeks with a way to do it. -Original Message- From: Sean Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

RE: [PHP-DEV] Feature request

2006-11-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
There are some cases where this could start becoming quite challenging and we might get into reference counting/separation problems, i.e.: function foo() { return array(1,2,3); } foo()[1] = 4; or function foo() { $arr = array(); $arr[1] = $var; } foo()[1] = 2;

RE: [PHP-DEV] pushing some more optimization patches

2006-11-09 Thread Andi Gutmans
The arginfo patch looks OK to me. Not sure about the visibility patch. I'll try and look into it tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Nuno Lopes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:09 AM To: PHPdev Subject: [PHP-DEV] pushing some more optimization patches

RE: [PHP-DEV] Optimization for ..._MULTIPLY_LONG on more systems

2006-11-08 Thread Andi Gutmans
Nice patch! Looks good to me... Any other thoughts? -Original Message- From: Matt Wilmas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:47 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] Optimization for ..._MULTIPLY_LONG on more systems Hi, Here's an

RE: [PHP-DEV] ext/openssl copied to pecl/openssl

2006-10-25 Thread Andi Gutmans
Why not just use a branch? Are you expecting this to come back to the mainstream PHP distro? -Original Message- From: Wez Furlong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM To: php-dev Subject: [PHP-DEV] ext/openssl copied to pecl/openssl Just a heads

[PHP-DEV] RE: [ZEND-ENGINE-CVS] cvs: ZendEngine2(PHP_5_2) / zend_compile.c

2006-10-20 Thread Andi Gutmans
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:11 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Dmitry Stogov'; 'Ilia Alshanetsky'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZEND-ENGINE-CVS] cvs: ZendEngine2(PHP_5_2) / zend_compile.c On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: I cant remember

RE: [PHP-DEV] Default long/lat. Why?

2006-10-12 Thread Andi Gutmans
Exactly. And note where America is :) Anyway, I see no reason not to keep it this way. -Original Message- From: Steph Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:11 AM To: Alexander M. Wirtz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: php internals LIST Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV]

RE: [PHP-DEV] Per-request UG(unicode)

2006-10-03 Thread Andi Gutmans
What kind of hackery? Have you looked at the PHP 6 source code? This is like epsilon compared to the conditionals and hacks that had to be made for Unicode. In fact, this patch is insignificant compared to the other changes and provides VERY high value. Maybe in a purists view it's not great, but

RE: [PHP-DEV] Per-request UG(unicode)

2006-10-03 Thread Andi Gutmans
What soup? Did you check out the patch? It's actually not bad at all. It's even cleaner than what we had previously as we just make sure we have two versions and we use the right one... Andi -Original Message- From: Sara Golemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29,

RE: [PHP-DEV] RSS feed for bugs.php.net

2006-09-28 Thread Andi Gutmans
Great. Thanks all for the help! -Original Message- From: Hannes Magnusson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:24 AM To: Ilia Alshanetsky Cc: Sean Coates; Andi Gutmans; Philip Olson; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RSS feed for bugs.php.net

[PHP-DEV] RSS feed for bugs.php.net

2006-09-27 Thread Andi Gutmans
Do we have an RSS feed for bugs.php.net? It would really help maintainers keep on top of bugs opened for their extension as email isn't great because a lot of it gets filtered into the generic PHP Bugs folders :) Thoughts? Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

RE: [PHP-DEV] RSS feed for bugs.php.net

2006-09-27 Thread Andi Gutmans
Cool. Yes, generating that link would be *very* useful. Can someone hack that up? -Original Message- From: Philip Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:37 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RSS feed

RE: [PHP-DEV] ext/filter, Final API proposal

2006-09-16 Thread Andi Gutmans
Yep I agree. I thought the idea was to go to filter_* which has been our standard for extensions. I'm sure we can find good names for the functions in this way. -Original Message- From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Alshanetsky Sent: Saturday,

RE: [PHP-DEV] SAPI EMBED Problems

2006-09-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
Is this a dual-core or a multi-CPU system? There was a race condition in tsrm_shutdown which has been fixed. Not sure if this fix is in 5.1.6. -Original Message- From: Brian Fertig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:12 PM To: internals@lists.php.net;

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
the usage of the dll? Are we trying to find out how difficult we can make working with PHP in windows be? :) Rob Andi Gutmans wrote: OK well I definitely don't propose to change anything right now. I was just struck by senility and thought you were discussing making a chance

RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC: unicode.semantics: runtime or not?

2006-09-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
As Andrei knows, I believe that not allowing to tune this on a per virtual host basis, is going to make life very hard for our users. A huge part of our users are hosting providers, or companies running multiple applications on the same machine. Probably a majority do not own dedicated boxes. This

RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC: unicode.semantics: runtime or not?

2006-09-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:36 PM To: Andi Gutmans; 'Andrei Zmievski'; 'PHP Internals' Cc: 'Dmitry Stogov' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: unicode.semantics: runtime or not? Can anyone explain to me why it would be such a big problem to support PHP 6 and PHP 5 alongside one another? With PHP 6

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-05 Thread Andi Gutmans
. CGI is a no issue of course as the exe path is the prefered one. Andi -Original Message- From: Nuno Lopes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:57 AM To: Rob Richards; Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Edin Kadribasic'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-02 Thread Andi Gutmans
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:17 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Edin Kadribasic'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003 I am on the fence one this one. Going the dll route makes my life easier by no longer needing to maintain

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-02 Thread Andi Gutmans
decision now re: bundling. Andi -Original Message- From: Steph Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:34 AM To: Andi Gutmans; 'Rob Richards' Cc: 'Edin Kadribasic'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003 Andi - the old

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-02 Thread Andi Gutmans
is to what you want to do? -Original Message- From: Edin Kadribasic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:57 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Steph Fox'; 'Rob Richards'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003 Andi Gutmans wrote: We need

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-02 Thread Andi Gutmans
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:55 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Rob Richards'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003 Andi Gutmans wrote: I don't understand what problems you mean. On the contrary, statically linking in everything

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-01 Thread Andi Gutmans
will lead to more problems due to lack of flexibility in people's install. It's a really bad design decision and I just don't understand how this happened. Andi -Original Message- From: Edin Kadribasic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:35 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-09-01 Thread Andi Gutmans
Exactly. And this should be the case for all these 3rd party libraries. They should always be dlls and not be linked in with php5ts.dll. Throughout our history we've always had trouble with statically linked 3rd party libs... Andi -Original Message- From: Edin Kadribasic

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2.0RC3 Released

2006-09-01 Thread Andi Gutmans
- From: Steph Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:25 AM To: Andi Gutmans; 'Ilia Alshanetsky'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2.0RC3 Released Hi Andi, Rock vs hard place - RC's were announced on php.net and distributed via the download

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2.0RC3 Released

2006-08-31 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi Ilia, Can you post it also on the front page of php.net? As we are getting closer to release 5.2.0 we should make sure that we get as many beta testers as possible. My experience is that internals@ isn't enough... Thanks. Andi -Original Message- From: Ilia Alshanetsky

RE: [PHP-DEV] Etiquette

2006-08-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
Yep I completely agree. Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the many things that encompasses). -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-08-25 Thread Andi Gutmans
flexible. Andi -Original Message- From: Rob Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:26 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Edin Kadribasic'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003 MINIT is definitely not the place

RE: [PHP-DEV] libxml2/threading/win 2003

2006-08-24 Thread Andi Gutmans
Rob, Is there a reason why we can't call this from MINIT? I'm not sure a good long-term solution is to have a DllMain when we don't need one. Andi -Original Message- From: Rob Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:03 PM To: Edin Kadribasic;

RE: [PHP-DEV] increase the default memory limit in 5.2.0+

2006-08-16 Thread Andi Gutmans
The new memory manager actually wastes less memory than the old one, scales better and most important to this discussion, the memory consumption is far more accurate as it also takes into account the memory manager overhead. Therefore, we are not consuming 1.5x memory, but we are reporting a more

RE: FW: [PHP-DEV] Long awaited line directive

2006-08-10 Thread Andi Gutmans
-intrusive way, at high quality and without making it significantly harder for debuggers and profilers to work with this is just not worth it... Andi -Original Message- From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:22 AM To: Andi Gutmans Subject

RE: [PHP-DEV] RfC: rethink OO inheritance strictness

2006-08-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hey, Coming into this a bit late (took me a while to read the gazillion emails on the topic. First of all, I agree that we can find some middle ground which should make everyone happy. I don't think that making interfaces have additional semantics is the way to go though. I personally don't

RE: [PHP-DEV] Long awaited line directive

2006-08-04 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi Marcus, I'm still trying to figure out whether this patch might have some far reaching affects which we're not thinking of. For example, debuggers would not work with this and would need some serious changes. Also, there might be something inside Zend which expects the filename to be correct.

RE: [PHP-DEV] Supporting version specific INI files as well as SAPI specific INI files.

2006-07-30 Thread Andi Gutmans
Unless there are objections we can commit it for you. One change I'd like you to make though is to remove the V in the registry before the version #. Makes it harder for automated programs. It should just be SOFTWARE\\PHP\\5\\IniFilePath Btw, one thing I didn't understand. Are you cascading 5 and

RE: [PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: cleong

2006-07-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi Chung, Any idea on the performance of OLEDB? My understanding was that due to it going through the COM layer, performance will be relatively poor. Any idea? Andi -Original Message- From: Chung Leong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:37 PM To:

RE: [PHP-DEV] does 16M give a counting overhead ?

2006-07-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hi Bertrand, The discussion is on how and what we count, not on whether to count or not. If you count in 256KB increments instead of in byte increments then there's less counting to do in order to get to 16MB :) Andi -Original Message- From: bertrand Gugger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [PHP-DEV] does 16M give a counting overhead ?

2006-07-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
] does 16M give a counting overhead ? Andi Gutmans wrote: Hi Bertrand, The discussion is on how and what we count, not on whether to count or not. The quoted discussion is/was , this one is about the possibility to get 16M without counting. If you count in 256KB increments instead

RE: [PHP-DEV] does 16M give a counting overhead ?

2006-07-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
-Original Message- From: bertrand Gugger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:30 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] does 16M give a counting overhead ? Andi Gutmans wrote: There is no hardcoded counting. We either cound (--enable-memory

RE: [PHP-DEV] memory_get_usage with new Memory Manager

2006-07-28 Thread Andi Gutmans
, 2006 4:08 AM To: internals@lists.php.net; Dmitry Stogov; 'Andi Gutmans' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] memory_get_usage with new Memory Manager Hi Dmitry, No, there's always more work going on (with --enable-memory-limit) with every emalloc() call to update the size even when real_size isn't

RE: [PHP-DEV] memory_get_usage with new Memory Manager

2006-07-28 Thread Andi Gutmans
functions in PHP (if not the most). Cheers, Andi -Original Message- From: Matt W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:12 PM To: internals@lists.php.net; Andi Gutmans; 'Dmitry Stogov' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] memory_get_usage with new Memory Manager Hi Andi, Dmitry

RE: [PHP-DEV] memory_get_usage with new Memory Manager

2006-07-27 Thread Andi Gutmans
I personally think that we should keep the more accurate behavior both because it's the most accurate and what most people would expect when setting memory limits, and because it does allow us to always enable memory-limit code due to the significantly smaller overhead of keeping count. If some

RE: [PHP-DEV] Adding pecl/zip to 5.2

2006-07-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
Although I don't want to clutter the list further, I do agree with DerickMarcus on this. I actually like ZipArchive() better :) -Original Message- From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:44 PM To: Pierre Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List

RE: [PHP-DEV] Adding pecl/zip to 5.2

2006-07-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
I personally don't think it's *that* useful to have an abstraction on top of archives and in any case, it doesn't make sense for this request to come up now. If you'd like something like that, then I suggest to apply for a PECL account and work on an extension that implments it. As to having

RE: [PHP-DEV] RfC: rethink OO inheritance strictness

2006-07-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
There's a big difference. Inherited classes should adhere to the instanceof operator. Meaning that if you get an object you can check if it's an instance of another class and if so, you can call it *exactly* the way you could the parent class. This allows for good polymorphic design in

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Long awaited line directive

2006-07-21 Thread Andi Gutmans
Can you please send me the latest patch for review? I can't find it for some reason. Thx. Andi -Original Message- From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:34 PM To: Sara Golemon Cc: Jeff Moore; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re:

RE: [PHP-DEV] Date flamewar summary

2006-07-20 Thread Andi Gutmans
Peer pressure? :) Steph doesn't want to be left out :) Just kidding... Andi -Original Message- From: Steph Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:26 PM To: Marcus Boerger; Edin Kadribasic Cc: Ilia Alshanetsky; PHP Internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Date

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2-dev Cannot use array returned from foo::__get('bar') in write context

2006-07-19 Thread Andi Gutmans
-Original Message- From: Dmitry Stogov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:23 AM To: internals@lists.php.net Cc: Marcus Boerger; Andi Gutmans Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.2-dev Cannot use array returned from foo::__get('bar') in write context __get() never worked

RE: [PHP-DEV] Stepping in as RM for our PHP 4 branche

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think we've really reached an unhealthy situation in PHP release management. We used to shift around this responsibility quite frequently. Sometimes people would assume responsibility even for a mini release. When people thought (and rightfully so) that I was a bit too busy to run the PHP 5.1

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hey, I don't think question is only in regards to Date. I think it's a bigger question on what the standard is for internal classes. We are just at the beginning of this stage in PHP's evolution, and I think we need to agree on a standard that Date and other following classes will all adhere to.

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
- From: Steph Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:00 PM To: Andi Gutmans; 'Derick Rethans' Cc: 'Edin Kadribasic'; 'Dmitry Stogov'; internals@lists.php.net; 'Ilia Alshanetsky' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
I second Ilia. _ From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Alshanetsky Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:55 PM To: Pierre Cc: Andi Gutmans; Steph Fox; Derick Rethans; Edin Kadribasic; Dmitry Stogov; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
Either of those are good options IMO, although we should make a high-level decision if we want to do PHP prefix or we defer that to PHP 6. Andi _ From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Alshanetsky Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:49 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
PHPDate and PHP:Date equivalent. -Original Message- From: Olivier Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:50 PM To: Steph Fox Cc: Andi Gutmans; Derick Rethans; Edin Kadribasic; Dmitry Stogov; internals@lists.php.net; Ilia Alshanetsky Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re

RE: [PHP-DEV] Possible problem in Zend

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
There's also a build error in ZTS in ext/filter and warnings in ext/date. Can someone take a look? /bin/sh /home/andi/php5/libtool --silent --preserve-dup-deps --mode=compile /home/andi/php5/meta_ccld -Iext/filter/ -I/home/andi/php5/ext/filter/ -DPHP_ATOM_INC -I/home/andi/php5/include

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
Oops :) _ From: Ilia Alshanetsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Alshanetsky Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:54 PM To: Andi Gutmans Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h) Sounds good to me, but you

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h)

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
; Andi Gutmans; 'Derick Rethans'; 'Edin Kadribasic'; 'Dmitry Stogov'; internals@lists.php.net; 'Ilia Alshanetsky' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PEAR::Date broken (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) /ext/date php_date.c php_date.h) Sure, but let's get some perspective as well here. We

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] New Memory Manager (Was: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_2) / NEWS /ext/standard var.c /main main.c /sapi/apache mod_php5.c /sapi/apache2filter sapi_apache2.c /sapi/apach

2006-07-18 Thread Andi Gutmans
Didn't see this but I did :) Andi -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:13 AM To: Dmitry Stogov Cc: php-cvs@lists.php.net; internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] New Memory Manager (Was: [PHP-CVS]

RE: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class

2006-07-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
in PHP. Andi -Original Message- From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:49 PM To: Andrei Zmievski Cc: Marcus Boerger; Andrei Zmievski; Zeev Suraski; Andi Gutmans; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class Hello

RE: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class

2006-07-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:57 PM To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Andi Gutmans; Marcus Boerger; PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class Yes, we are. But normalization (in our case) may involve case-folding (for class/function names), so it's really a single operation. If you

RE: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class

2006-07-17 Thread Andi Gutmans
OK sounds fine. -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:28 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Zeev Suraski'; 'Marcus Boerger'; 'PHP internals' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unicode and fetch class We did talk about this before, on the php

RE: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

2006-07-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
ppl to run some benchmarks on this. Thx. Andi -Original Message- From: Michael Vergoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:25 PM To: Andi Gutmans; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch Hi Andi, I

RE: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

2006-07-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
Are you sure this isn't because the IIS thread is still running? One thread handles multiple requests. -Original Message- From: Michael Vergoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:33 AM To: Dmitry Stogov; 'Andi Gutmans'; PHPdev Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help

RE: [PHP-DEV] More valuable error message handling

2006-07-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
I definitely think that for production apps we should be able to turn this off. It could significantly slow down apps. -Original Message- From: Michael Wallner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:35 AM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] More

RE: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] array_fill: Allow an array to specify keys

2006-07-11 Thread Andi Gutmans
I don't have a problem with the functionality and the patch doesn't seem problematic. I do question though whether we want to add this to array_fill()? Not sure if that parameter overloading is very intuitive as it doesn't just add one parameter. What do others think? Would you prefer an

RE: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

2006-07-10 Thread Andi Gutmans
No help??? Come on guys. I'm sure some of you can spare a few idle cycles :) -Original Message- From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:38 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch Sending

RE: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

2006-07-08 Thread Andi Gutmans
Anyone who'd like to try benchmark this, please drop me an email. We can also discuss how best to test. Thx. Andi -Original Message- From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:38 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed

[PHP-DEV] FW: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

2006-07-07 Thread Andi Gutmans
Sending 3rd time this time without the attachment. You can get the diff at http://gutmans.org/alloc.zip -Original Message- From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:06 PM To: 'internals@lists.php.net' Subject: Help needed in benchmarking memory patch

RE: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistency between FETCH_DIM_IS and FETCH_OBJ_IS

2006-07-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
Looks good to me. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Sara Golemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:00 PM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] Inconsistency between FETCH_DIM_IS and FETCH_OBJ_IS When executing ZEND_FETCH_OBJ_IS on a non-object,

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-I18N] Renaming unicode_semantics

2006-06-28 Thread Andi Gutmans
Sounds fine to me. -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:40 AM To: PHP Internals Cc: PHP I18N Subject: [PHP-I18N] Renaming unicode_semantics I am considering renaming unicode_semantics to unicode.semantics to

RE: [PHP-DEV] Supporting version specific INI files as well as SAPI specific INI files.

2006-06-26 Thread Andi Gutmans
I think this is a good idea. It seems like it'll work long term and it does solve a problem we have today (and already went half way to solving it). -Original Message- From: Richard Quadling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:51 AM To: internals@lists.php.net

RE: [PHP-DEV] Status of PHP 4.4.3?

2006-06-26 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hey, First of all I agree. We should be releasing 4.4.3. Derick is supposed to be on top of that. If that's delayed due to lack of time (understandable) we can have someone else roll the RCs and releases. In the past we've often switched release managers for mini releases when the one doing it

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics

2006-06-23 Thread Andi Gutmans
Fine with me. -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:08 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Johannes Schlueter'; internals@lists.php.net; 'Ron Korving' Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics How about

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics

2006-06-23 Thread Andi Gutmans
I don't quite agree. I think there's a good chance people will want to save Unicode strings in a binary format for performance reasons. Save it the way it looks in memory, and put it back... Why convert to UTF-8 or any other encoding if it's just about storage? Andi -Original Message-

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics

2006-06-23 Thread Andi Gutmans
Hmm, I was thinking we might have some binary write function which would do that automagically. I think it'd be worth it. -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:38 PM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: 'Sara Golemon'; 'Ron Korving

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics

2006-06-23 Thread Andi Gutmans
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:16 AM To: Andi Gutmans; 'Andrei Zmievski' Cc: 'Ron Korving'; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics The only way they can get at the internal UTF-16 representation is via unicode_encode($uni

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under unicode.semantics

2006-06-22 Thread Andi Gutmans
Maybe sizeof() should not be an alias for strlen() when operating on Unicode...? Andi -Original Message- From: Andrei Zmievski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:14 PM To: Ron Korving Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: strlen() under

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