Hello Hannes,
Nothing is wrong, I presume. Ignorance on my part.
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Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 7:50:47 AM, you wrote:
HM Hi Jason
I've put together a simple test framework and a 18 test cases to
HM Whats
Hello Andi,
Your request for edge condition research is an excellent one. We've
just been through a hellish couple weeks of QA failures (at my
company) which just *underscore* your point. The last thing any of
us needs is a broken PHP.
That being said, is there anything I can do to
Hello Marcus,
Is this correct?
private readable $abc;
- doesn't make sense.
protected readable $abc;
- sub-class can read, not write
- not visible outside class
public readable $abc;
- sub-class can read, and write
- outside class can read, not write
If not, please
Hello Christian,
CS Does anyone apart from me wonder why we need to bloat the language for
CS an obscure feature like this? Please take a step back, take a deep
CS breath, count to 10 and that's *really* what the PHP community has been
CS waiting for.
Please consider that not everyone does the
Hello Marcus,
I've put together a simple test framework and a 18 test cases to
start with. It's a stand-alone system that should work correctly
on PHP 5 installs. Both CLI mode and Web Server mode work fine.
NOTE: The tests I wrote are only testing standard functionality. We
need to
which this variable isn't
ZS (it's very much writable, from the right places). Maybe something
ZS like 'visible' (of course preferably we need to find something that
ZS begins with 'p'...)
ZS Zeev
ZS At 02:35 12/05/2006, Jason Garber wrote:
Hello internals,
__get() and __set() are great
Hello Marcus,
class x
{
public readonly $xyz;
protected readonly $abc;
}
Definitions:
- public readonly- outside class can only read, not write.
- protected readonly - subclass can only read, not write.
- private readonly - does not make sense - do not support.
.
I'm not talking about adding hundreds of new features, or turning
PHP into the next java. It's about real business cases.
It's not about what YOU WOULD NOT use, it's about what a lot of
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Hello Rasmus,
RL In 5.1 this now throws an E_STRICT instead of a warning. It is still a
RL bad idea to pass a tempvar by reference, so yes, you should strive to
RL write E_STRICT clean code.
At the possible expense of being blamed and flamed, I'll say it...
ifsetor($var, 'default') would go a
Hello Zeev,
I'd be happy to do this. Do you want this placed in a function or
just sample code to post somewhere?
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ZS A part of the decision was to supply the few
Hello Jared,
JW PHP is all about using a simple means to an end and getting the job
JW done. Named parameters makes coding easier, not harder.
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I think the sexy syntax is a significant plus, even if associative
arrays were used in the implementation. Is it a complex thing to
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Thursday, January 12, 2006, 6:44:59 PM, you wrote:
AG
Hello Aidan,
I think named parameters would be a useful feature... I'll leave it
at that.
Here is a coding idea for you, in case you hadn't considered it...
function highlight($text=NULL, $needle=NULL, $strip_links=NULL, ...)
{
is_null($text) $text = SOME DEFAULT VALUE;
Hello Mike,
Same at my company.
?php= would be very nice.
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MH Just FYI, the lack of ?php= is the only reason we don't disable short
MH tags on all development
Hello Sara,
Please explain what the difference is between nested classes, and
this type of namespacing?
If you scrapped namespace constants and functions, then all we have
left is classes. If it was looked at as nested classes, then we get
all the functionality with all the simplicity
Hello,
I as a userland library author, would appreciate namespaces quite a
bit. Here is an idea:
namespace1..class()
$x = new MyApp..MemberOrder();
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GB
token-replacing before compiling it...
Is it technically doable?
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Hello boots,
if(AppDevLevel == 'Production')
{
error_reporting(E_ALL);
}
else
{
error_reporting(E_ALL | E_STRICT);
}
Why don't you implement something like this in your application -
then you CAN control what error level is used at the client site.
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Hello boots,
if(AppDevLevel == 'Production')
{
error_reporting(E_ALL);
}
else
{
error_reporting(E_ALL | E_STRICT);
}
Why don't you implement something like this in your application -
then you CAN control what error level is used
Hello Noah,
In general, the people who advocate writing this construct differently,
are missing the point.
ifsetor is NOT input filtering, it is not a complex, general purpose
do-everything construct, it is a simple replacement for
$x = (isset($ANY_var) ? $ANY_var : 'Default Value');
Hello,
I don't know if chiming in at this point has any merit, but here is
what I see.
We have many, many people in favor of goto and ifsetor. They see
much legit use for those constructs.
Then, we have others who say that it will result in spaghetti code.
This is a completely
Hello Andi,
I have to strongly disagree with your ifsetor() comment. the use
for ifsetor is in no way eliminated with filtering.
I write very clean code and have taught all my developers to write
very clean code. We run the latest stable PHP version with maximum
error reporting. We
, June 6, 2005, 1:22:11 PM, you wrote:
SC Jason Garber wrote:
If there was any way to accommodate this with userland PHP code, I
would have already done it. However it is an engine level function
that has to be added to the core of PHP.
SC For the record, I also find ifsetor useful
Hello,
-1
New implies new. Use a factory.
Maybe we should add an old construct:
$object = old MyClass();
Just kidding :)
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LP I would like (for code
Hello Andi,
4) php 5.1 is aiming to increase performance and security = ifsetor
It is nice and easy and fast...only it's name. Well guys come on that's
the stupiest reason to reject. The name is selfspeaking, you're all only
not so used to its name as you are with foreach for now.
AG
Hello,
Speaking of these matters, how about implementing functions within
interfaces?
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Thursday, February 17, 2005, 5:46:08 PM, you wrote:
RK Okay, I'll accept the no of course, but I am curious.. Is it an
RK
Hello Andi,
However i'd like to see the 'ifsetor' or '?:' operator since it makes
many things much faster and easier to read.
AG I am not sure if the security filter functions aren't enough because they
AG will be used to gather and verify input which is the main purpose of
ifsetor.
AG Also, we
Hello Rasmus,
It seems that it should be marked as a depreciated feature IN PHP5,
but not excremental in PHP4. This would let everyone know what
the real deal is...
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isset($arr[0]['id']) used to return false if $arr[0] is undefined, but
with the new VM it throws a warning.
Doesn't sound right to me either...
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SG I'd call it bugish, since part of the point of isset() is that it's
Hello,
Consider this: public function foo(MyClass $o)
If you allow null, false, or anything else, you must CHECK it before
using it or you will get a calling a method on a non-object first.
The whole point of having a type hint, from my point of view, is so
the majority of time I DO
Hello Andi,
reset_exception_handler()
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Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 5:40:34 PM, you wrote:
AG I see Marcus has already attempted to fix this even though the bug report
AG is still open.
AG Marcus, what exactly
Hello,
Ergh. I also hope that it can easily be restored to work the way
it did, even if that was undocumented. The thought of looking
through ~ 5,000 php scripts before our upgrade is a bit overwhelming
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Hello Manuel,
After reading your motivations, it seems to me that you need
mod rewrite.
from: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html
Welcome to mod_rewrite, the Swiss Army Knife of URL manipulation!
This module uses a rule-based rewriting engine (based on a
like that to the language to
facilitate this?
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is being run on the command line?
I've used if(defined('STDIN')) but that seems kind of kludgey.
If there is no better way, perhaps we could add constant called
(SAPI_TYPE = 'CLI') or something like that to the language to
facilitate this?
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, 2004, 1:28:22 AM, you wrote:
MF Jason Garber wrote:
This is an interesting point you bring up. When we have large
registration processes or similar multi-page forms, we write our
data array to a hidden field using.
base64_encode(serialize($aData))
and read
Hello Harry,
This is an interesting point you bring up. When we have large
registration processes or similar multi-page forms, we write our
data array to a hidden field using.
base64_encode(serialize($aData))
and read it in with
unserialize(base64_decode($_POST['aData']))
Hello Stuart,
Patch didn't come through...
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:50:30 PM, you wrote:
SD Hi All,
SD This is my first attempt at submitting a patch so please be gentle :).
SD The feature requested in
Hello Zeev,
Makes sense to me.
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Friday, August 27, 2004, 3:26:25 AM, you wrote:
ZS I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the
ZS simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two
Hello,
+1 on the array parameter. It's flexible, easy to document (as dan put
it), and should accommodate future options.
Also, throwing E_NOTICES would be good to notify you if you mis-type
something, and they can always be suppressed if you want to send an
unsupported option.
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Hello Dan,
The answer that you are looking for can be found on the Zend site:
http://www.zend.com/php5/articles/engine2-php5-changes.php#Heading13
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Friday, August 13, 2004, 6:59:44 PM, you wrote:
DO Hello.
DO
Hello Marcus,
Can abstract methods be protected?
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Thursday, August 5, 2004, 1:32:05 PM, you wrote:
MB Hello Ferdinand,
MB Thursday, August 5, 2004, 5:01:42 PM, you wrote:
Trying to write a singleton interface:
Hello Matthew,
3/4 = (0*4)+3 -- 3%4 = 3
9/4 = (2*4)+1 -- 9%4 = 1
20/10 = (2*10)+0 -- 20%10 = 0
4 goes into 3 a total of ZERO times with a remainder of 3.
10 goes into 20 a total of TWO times with a remainder of 0.
Take a look at a standard (integer) long division
Hello,
ALthough I'm in support of a local scoped static GOTO, I did not see
myself using it much.
However, I find myself this afternoon implementing a huge
do { switch { case: break 2; } while (true) structure.
It would be much cleaner to use goto in this case.
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. If there is no good reason for not adding this set of functions
to the PHP core, what would be the method of designing an acceptable
set of functions?
PHP is a feature packed language, but it's strange that this does not
exist in the core. Thanks for your time.
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WF http://pecl.php.net/package-info.php?package=Date
WF It's not in the core because it is still relatively young.
WF Maybe in a future release...
WF --Wez.
WF On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:36:14 -0400, Jason Garber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello internals,
Not to take away from the wonderful
to a date?
how do you get the day of week for a given date? These are the
types of functions that I am thinking of.
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Monday, August 2, 2004, 10:40:45 PM, you wrote:
GS On Aug 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Jason Garber wrote
PG [snip] i'm somewhat confuzzled why you, of all people, are advocating such
PG mutilation of do-while(), which is *abuse* of the construct. mutilating one
PG construct to emulate another construct, which won't be implemented because
PG it could be abused and mutilated, just doesn't compute for
Hello Andi,
Sorry for being unclear on this, but what is the exact definition of
an execution block in this context?
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Friday, July 30, 2004, 9:08:09 PM, you wrote:
AG Hi Jason,
AG I think that in any
functionality as well.
Thanks for answering my question.
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Friday, July 30, 2004, 9:24:13 PM, you wrote:
AG At 09:19 PM 7/30/2004 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 21:16, Jason Garber wrote:
Hello Andi
Hello,
After thinking about it for a bit, I'm convinced. If goto can be
implemented so that it is fast, and does not adversely affect other
parts of PHP, by all means, do it.
Andrey, you've been very clear why you would not use it, but why do
you want me not to use it? I can think of
Hello,
I think we should add an INI option:
php_newbie true|false
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Thursday, July 29, 2004, 8:54:34 PM, you wrote:
AH Sara Golemon wrote:
do {
.code...
if (something) break;
...code
} while
Hello Curt,
From http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.assignment.php
The value of an assignment expression is the value assigned.
That is, the value of $a = 3 is 3.
I take this to mean that ($foo-a = 'bar') will always return 'bar'
and that is a core feature of the language.
Hello,
Perhaps we should implement one of the read this obscure image and
type the number into this text box scheme into all the bug post and
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Tuesday, July 20, 2004, 11:57:25 AM, you wrote:
US
Hello Cristiano,
First, I'd like to say that a function of this type sounds useful.
It's one that I've wanted for some time, particularly for verifying
that an array has the correct keys when it is passed as a function
parameter.
If I understand what you are doing correctly, the same
Hello PHPers,
On behalf of all 19 of us here at IonZoft, I'd like to add to this
letter by saying thank you for providing the *excellent* tool that
allows us to make our livelihood this way.
PHP 5.0 is a unparalleled release of not only PHP, not only open
source, but of great software
The problem with default() is that there will be tons of scripts out
there
that will be broken by this. Hence i'd like to see a more non intuitive
name (like the ifsetor). Probably getvalue() was the best compromise so
far.
GS what was wrong with nvl() (of oracle fame)?
ifset()
ifsetor()
MR $level = value($_POST['level'], NULL, INT);
MR switch($level){
MR case 0:
MR echo Welcome to level 0;
MR break;
MR case 1:
MR echo Welcome to level 1;
MR break;
MR case 2:
MR echo Welcome to level 2;
MR break;
MR default:
MR echo That level is invalid. Aborting;
Hello Marc,
MR I don't think a function named param() really fits, but I do like the
MR idea of adding a type check (or in the case of PHP a type cast) to the
MR function.
MR $level = (int) (isset($_SESSION['level']) ? $_SESSION['level'] :
MR (isset($_REQUEST['level']) ? $_REQUEST['level'] :
Hello,
RL $a = value($_GET['index'], $default);
value() sounds like more like a language construct to me. I'm not
sure if it accurately conveys the meaning though (not that it has
stopped other functions from being added in the past :)
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Sunday, July 11, 2004, 10:48:06 PM, you wrote:
RL On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Jason Garber wrote:
The concept is desirable, but can be achieved if you need it just as
simply using already available syntax (ie a cast):
$level = (integer) value($_SESSION['level'], 1);
RL The problem
AG How about default($var, expr)?
I like it.
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Sure,
Any recommendations?
-Jason
At 7/9/2004 09:12 AM +0200, Marcus Boerger wrote:
Hello Jason,
could you do something about your mail client? It strips off or cuts the
mail id so that mail threads loose their connection for all of us.
regards
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Hello
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Bug #29081 Segmentation Fault when using Interface
http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=29081
-Jason
At 7/9/2004 01:30 PM +0200, you wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Jason Garber wrote:
Hello,
I discovered this problem tonight while working on a new PHP 5 class that
uses an interface. The code
Sorry,
The actual bug is http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=29080
29081 is a duplicate
-Jason
At 7/9/2004 05:16 PM -0400, Jason Garber wrote:
Bug #29081 Segmentation Fault when using Interface
http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=29081
-Jason
At 7/9/2004 01:30 PM +0200, you wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004
a short, concise, CLEAR name
Comments?
Sincerely,
Jason Garber
At 7/8/2004 07:48 PM -0400, you wrote:
Jason Garber wrote:
The original reason that I asked for this functionality was to make it
significantly easier to work with E_ALL error reporting. When I say
easier, I mean by reducing duplicate
for it also :)
Sincerely,
Jason Garber
At 7/7/2004 08:26 PM -0400, Marc Richards wrote:
On 4/15/2004 Jason Garber asked about a new language construct to simplify
testing if a variable isset() and assinging a default value for those that
aren't. The thread title was Construct Request.
I rember
Hi Marc,
At 7/7/2004 09:06 PM -0400, Marc Richards wrote:
Jason Garber wrote:
Hi Marc,
What we basically settled on was to use this syntax (as a new language
construct):
$x = ifsetor(mixed variable, mixed default);
So ?: is out then? Or just delayed until it can be tackled.
Who am I to say it's
Consider the following:
$x = FALSE;
$x || throw new exception('Some Assertion');
I get the following Parse Error:
error: parse error, unexpected T_THROW in /home/.../Z_Record.php on line 153
However, this code produces no errors..
$x = FALSE;
$x || exit;
Why is this?
Thanks,
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That's what I figured. throw is a language construct.
However, from the manual (http://php.net/exit):
void exit ( int status)
Note: This is not a real function, but a language construct.
Why does
$x || exit;
work without a parse error?
Thanks,
Jason Garber
At 6/17/2004 10:22 AM +0400
Hello,
In PHP4 and PHP5 the following syntax works fine (note the last comma):
array
(
1 = 'bob',
2 = 'sam',
);
Is being able to have a comma at the END of an array definition a supported
feature, or an undocumented feature that should not be used?
Thanks,
Jason Garber
Thanks for the good explanation.
~Jason
At 6/17/2004 02:10 PM +0200, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote:
Joseph Lee wrote:
I guess exit(); terminates execution within itself without returning
to the caller, so that is no chance of getting a runtime error.
parse error != runtime error
but language constructs
as i misstyped today using 5.0.0rc3 :-)
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Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Jason Garber wrote:
Is being able to have a comma at the END of an array definition a supported
feature, or an undocumented feature that should not be used?
If I remember correctly, Zeev or Andi
.
Sincerely,
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At 6/15/2004 06:30 PM +0300, you wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:47:29 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Alexander Valyalkin wrote:
Today I checked file /win32/readdir.c
Below you can view its source with my
To add..
The 18 of us here at IonZoft wish to thank all members of the PHP team and
everyone who has helped make it happen. We have built a fast growing
company totally focused on solutions based on PHP, and are very excited
about the release of PHP5.
Thanks!
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At 6/7/2004 09:51 PM
usable. How can this be structured to ensure
that the DB object does not get released first?
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Jason
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It may be worth noting the way MySQL AB has been rolling out MySQL. They
released 4.0.0 as a restructured release, did bug fixes and small changes
up through 4.0.19, and are approaching the release of 4.1 with significant
new features. It sounds like the same might apply here.
~Jason
At
has the low-level power to accommodate all the other things that one
wishes to accomplish. Let's keep it that way.
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to allow NULL's not use type hints at
all...
+1
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I would view implicit array creation as a slightly negative thing, similar
to accessing the value of a variable that does not exist.
We run in E_ALL mode and write our code to avoid all E_NOTICEs. For
instance, before using an array, I always initialize it using $aItems =
array();
I'm in
constant('
(\ /)
{=B0_=B0)
() ()
( )( )
') . chr(10); // outputs : bar
Is it a feature or a bug ? :)
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,, what can
i do to
run the javascript at server side and not on the client side
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Just a note,
Would Object be more appropriate than Class? The expected variable
type is an object (defined by a class), and the gettype() function returns
'object'..
# php -r '$x=new stdclass(); var_dump(gettype($x));'
string(6) object
It may mean adding a new reserved word though.
~Jason
, you wrote:
Jason Garber wrote:
In our code, you will find many blocks looking like
$CUST_ID = (integer) (isset($_POST['CUST_ID']) ? $_POST['CUST_ID'] : 0);
so how is that different from
$CUST_ID = (integer) @$_POST['CUST_ID'];
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Chris -
As Wez pointed out, this is almost ready to insert into the parser. Most
of yesterdays conversation was spent hashing out the ways that this should
be implemented.
Remember, one of the biggest reasons for creating this function was so that
E_NOTICE would not be issued when attempting
In our code, you will find many blocks looking like
$CUST_ID = (integer) (isset($_POST['CUST_ID']) ? $_POST['CUST_ID'] : 0);
$CONTACT_ID = (integer) (isset($_POST['CONTACT_ID']) ? $_POST['CONTACT_ID']
: 0);
And when you want to read an element from an array that may or may not
exist, you see
of code, making
PHP an even more easy to use language. Please evaluate this request
carefully, and then let me know your thoughts on it.
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or may not exist.
It is one of the great features of PHP - accessing an undefined variable,
but one that is completely removed when E_NOTICE is turned on.
What is the overhead of calling a simple UDF in php?
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proposed a language construct.
Also, I think that using an operator would add to the complexity of
thoroughly understanding the PHP language, which is something that I
understand we do not want to do.
~Jason Garber
At 4/15/2004 02:34 PM -0400, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
On April 15, 2004 02:15
) ? $param : $default);
}
I tested it on 4.3.4 and 5.0 RC1, and it worked. Is passing an undefined
variable as a reference parameter a legal thing to do in PHP?
~Jason
At 4/15/2004 09:54 PM +0200, Derick Rethans wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Jason Garber wrote:
$_POST['CUST_ID'] = (int
I wrote this (I underlined the relevant parts for you):
You'll need something more clever, because
an undefined key 'CUST_ID' in $_POST['CUST_ID'] will strill throw a
Consider this:
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error_reporting(E_ALL);
function setor($param, $default)
{
to this side of things. But I do have quite a few personnel on
payroll that I think would benefit significantly by having a this feature
added, which is why I would be willing to pay for it's implementation,
which in turn everyone can benefit from.
Thanks again,
Jason Garber
President
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