Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Walter
Of course it is meaningful for PHP as well. On 12/1/05, Bart de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that whitespace is meaningfull at XML level and not at PHP level. Processing Instruction: phpecho Sean Coates wrote: Sara Golemon wrote: oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw,

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-12-01 Thread Bart de Boer
Of course it is meaningful for PHP as well. We're talking about the PHP language. Not the PHP engine. You're right that the PHP engine needs to be capable of finding its processing instructions. So it's capable of doing a little XML. Thus it needs to understand the meaning of whitespace in

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Walter
Surely it ought to care iff trying to look like a processing instruction. But we digress... On 12/1/05, Bart de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, that whitespace is meaningfull for XML. Not for PHP. PHP couldn't care less how processing instructions are defined in XML. -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-12-01 Thread Stefan Walk
On 01/12/05, Michael Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely it ought to care iff trying to look like a processing instruction. But we digress... On 12/1/05, Bart de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, that whitespace is meaningfull for XML. Not for PHP. PHP couldn't care less how processing

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Mike Hall
Just FYI, the lack of ?php= is the only reason we don't disable short tags on all development projects at my company. Mike On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:29:42 +0100 Marcus Boerger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bastian, id like to see '?php=' too. marcus Monday, November 28, 2005, 9:56:56

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Mike Hall wrote: Just FYI, the lack of ?php= is the only reason we don't disable short tags on all development projects at my company. as far as i remember the only arguemnt against ?php= was that '=' is not a valid character for a XML processing instruction name? -- Hartmut Holzgraefe,

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Jason Garber
Hello Mike, Same at my company. ?php= would be very nice. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 4:31:58 AM, you wrote: MH Just FYI, the lack of ?php= is the only reason we don't disable short MH tags on all development

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Ron Korving
Same for our company. We still use ? because of ?= Ron Jason Garber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, Same at my company. ?php= would be very nice. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Sebastian Kugler
On 11/30/05, Ron Korving [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same for our company. We still use ? because of ?= same here :-) Would really be great if we could turn short_open_tags off and still use the compact print syntax. --Sebastian -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Hartmut, oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw, th ejsp way is to have '?jsp' '.' action best regards marcus Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 10:44:37 AM, you wrote: Mike Hall wrote: Just FYI, the lack of ?php= is the only reason we don't disable short tags on all development

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Bart de Boer
'?php=' isn't allowed by the current W3C standards so enabling this would brake standards compliance for PHP scripts. If you want to be able to use '?php=' you should go to W3C.org. There's where the XHTML/XML specs are defined. If people change their code from '?' to '?php' then, while

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Bart de Boer
That would be a mandatory whitespace then. Which may be a bit confusing. Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello Hartmut, oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw, th ejsp way is to have '?jsp' '.' action best regards marcus Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 10:44:37 AM, you wrote: Mike Hall

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Sara Golemon
oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw, th ejsp way is to have '?jsp' '.' action Marcus- You give me greif over ;; and ** as namespace separators then you suggest meaningful whitespace? *tsk*tsk*tsk* -Sara :) -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Sean Coates
Sara Golemon wrote: oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw, th ejsp way is to have '?jsp' '.' action Marcus- You give me greif over ;; and ** as namespace separators then you suggest meaningful whitespace? *tsk*tsk*tsk* -Sara :) Ah, but the whitespace is already meaningful

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-30 Thread Bart de Boer
But that whitespace is meaningfull at XML level and not at PHP level. Processing Instruction: phpecho Sean Coates wrote: Sara Golemon wrote: oh, that's easy to solve '?php' WS + '=' btw, th ejsp way is to have '?jsp' '.' action Marcus- You give me greif over ;; and ** as namespace

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Bastian Grupe
What concerns me most is that ?php= does not work, regardless if short tags will be disabled or not in php6. I currently use %= to counter this, but I am most certainly *not* happy with it. So a clean ?php= solution would be ideal, so I wouldn't have to care about xml/xsl files parsed and

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Bastian, id like to see '?php=' too. marcus Monday, November 28, 2005, 9:56:56 AM, you wrote: What concerns me most is that ?php= does not work, regardless if short tags will be disabled or not in php6. I currently use %= to counter this, but I am most certainly *not* happy with

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Ron Korving
me too, i've asked for this before but i remember it being laughed away... ron Marcus Boerger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Bastian, id like to see '?php=' too. marcus Monday, November 28, 2005, 9:56:56 AM, you wrote: What concerns me most is that

[PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-27 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Marcus: On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:58:16AM +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote: To second this, the xml standard allows any name after '?' as processing instruction. Widely in use is for example '?jsp' and do you want to start special treatment for java stuff in PHP? ;-) First, PHP scripts are

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-27 Thread Johannes Schlueter
Hi, On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:20, Daniel Convissor wrote: First, PHP scripts are not XML files, so why are we concerned with what the XML standard says? It isn't about the XML standard but about exceptions for the PHP parser and why should ?xml be treated different from ?jsp or ?xsl or

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-27 Thread Matthew C. Kavanagh
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 22:32 +0100, Johannes Schlueter wrote: It isn't about the XML standard but about exceptions for the PHP parser and why should ?xml be treated different from ?jsp or ?xsl or ?foo or ... which all are used (hm, not sure about ?foo) and sometimes even in combination with

Re: [PHP-DEV] ?xml tags (was PDM Meeting Notes)

2005-11-27 Thread Sara Golemon
I recall this being discussed before, but not what came of it: is there a problem with just ignoring ?foo where foo is anything other than php or =? ?foo or ?bar or ?whatever is a parse error anyway so I very much doubt there's any BC break. Unless someone's program relies on parse errors. The