Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Sanford Whiteman
> Whether that article addresses rounding up, down or sideways, it's an > awfully long article for what should be a fairly simple thing... It does seem long-winded toward the top. I guess it's notable that in all that text, it doesn't even note the floor/ceiling concept. I interpret the absence as

Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Lynch
On Tue, May 22, 2012 1:51 pm, Sanford Whiteman wrote: >> Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority > > Can you point to where there's any suggestion of using the ceiling > (rounding up) instead of requiring whole persons? In fact, t

Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Sanford Whiteman
> I'm not sure I understand where the conflict is. 2/3 * 50 == 33 1/3. > Therefore, 33 states would be just below the required 2/3, while 34 states > would be just above it. So the 34 figure you quoted seems to match this > perfectly. > The article does mention some ambiguity, but that's pertai

Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Kris Craig
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Sanford Whiteman < swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com> wrote: > > Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority > > Can you point to where there's any suggestion of using the ceiling > (r

Re: [PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Sanford Whiteman
> Apparently, we are not the only ones confused by edge cases: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority Can you point to where there's any suggestion of using the ceiling (rounding up) instead of requiring whole persons? In fact, the Wikipedia page matter-of-factly says "...two thirds (curren

[PHP-DEV] 2/3 = ??? Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Lynch
On Mon, May 21, 2012 5:22 pm, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > Ah, this is why one should trust a coder over a butler: > > http://www.ask.com/answers/112530521/5-people-are-voting-what-is-2-3-s-of-a-majority Regarding the 2/3 super-majority rule... I thought I'd check the non-authorative but always inte

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-22 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Lars, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Lars Strojny wrote: > Hi Rafael, > > hope it’s ok I've reopened the vote temporarily, but you’ve got the missing > vote. You have what? That's not that ok actually Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org -

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Rafael Dohms
Awesome, that clear is up pretty well. I just wanted to get this well cleared up, and since this vote ad its various quirks, why not just sort out all issues once and for all. Thanks for the replies. -- Rafael Dohms PHP Evangelist and Community Leader http://www.rafaeldohms.com.br http://www.p

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Sanford Whiteman < swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com> wrote: > Ah, this is why one should trust a coder over a butler: > > > http://www.ask.com/answers/112530521/5-people-are-voting-what-is-2-3-s-of-a-majority > > Ugh. > > -- S. > > > -- > PHP Interna

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Sanford Whiteman
Ah, this is why one should trust a coder over a butler: http://www.ask.com/answers/112530521/5-people-are-voting-what-is-2-3-s-of-a-majority Ugh. -- S. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Kris Craig
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Rafael Dohms wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Gustavo Lopes > wrote: > > > There is nothing unclear about "a 2/3 majority is required". 2/3 of all > the > > votes need not be a integer, but that doesn't mean you can't compare it > to > > an integer. If t

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 23:48 +0200, Rafael Dohms wrote: > > > So we are counting half people now, good i hear Tyrion the Imp going > around internals, good. I tried to stay away from voting but well, simple math: Assume 5 votes. Then 3 is less then 2/3 of all votes and 4 is "at least 2/3" (more m

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Rafael Dohms
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Gustavo Lopes wrote: > There is nothing unclear about "a 2/3 majority is required". 2/3 of all the > votes need not be a integer, but that doesn't mean you can't compare it to > an integer. If this still doesn't answer your question, please refer to how > this wo

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Gustavo Lopes
On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:18:03 +0200, Rafael Dohms wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Lars Strojny wrote: hope it’s ok I've reopened the vote temporarily, but you’ve got the missing vote. Even better, get this on clean papers. thanks. But i would still like Pierre and others invol

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Rafael Dohms
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Lars Strojny wrote: > Hi Rafael, > > hope it’s ok I've reopened the vote temporarily, but you’ve got the missing > vote. Even better, get this on clean papers. thanks. But i would still like Pierre and others involved with voting to clear up the point about rou

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-21 Thread Lars Strojny
Hi Rafael, hope it’s ok I've reopened the vote temporarily, but you’ve got the missing vote. Am 21.05.2012 um 01:05 schrieb Rafael Dohms: > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> >> See the previous mails, as long as other voters agree to change their >> votes to empty on

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-01 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
> * None of them should accept expressions > > just to be clear, this means keeping the current behavior as is. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

[PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Vote change for empty() RFC

2012-05-01 Thread Nikita Popov
Hi internals! As per Pierres request I'm posting a new voting thread for my empty() RFC. During discussions on IRC it turned out that most people would prefer to allow expressions for empty(), but not for isset(), that's why the vote now has three options: * Both empty() and isset() should allow