Hi,
Le mardi 18 janvier 2011 à 23:36 +0100, Hannes Landeholm a écrit :
Just a simple threading
implementation with a strictly defined way to IPC would be very helpful.
If you just want to throw some executors and pass messages between them
you can already fork processes with pcntl [1] and pass
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Martin Scotta martinsco...@gmail.com wrote:
and what what happen if the extending class does not call
parent::__construct() ?
__construct is just like any other function, but with semantic added on top
of.
Changing the way it behaves will cause many
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
Many PHP features should be language constructs, but they were made as
language hacks.
__construct is evil, as like any other language hack
Constructors are standard feature in many
On 20/01/11 23:25, Martin Scotta wrote:
and what what happen if the extending class does not call
parent::__construct() ?
__construct is just like any other function, but with semantic added on top
of.
Changing the way it behaves will cause many headaches
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BTW, Did you noted that self
On 19/01/11 16:14, Sam Vilain wrote:
In general, Java's basic types typically correspond with types that can
be dealt with atomically by processors, or are small enough to be passed
by value. This already makes things a lot easier.
I've had another reason for the differences explained to me.
I think the point is that the php language itself does not provide solid
construct for writing rock-solid code. Yes, there are many
programmers/hackers that can, but the effort they put is huge.
it's so easy to break well-written bug-free code, that's impossible for
developers to share libraries,
hi,
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Martin Scotta martinsco...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the point is that the php language itself does not provide solid
construct for writing rock-solid code. Yes, there are many
programmers/hackers that can, but the effort they put is huge.
Care to enlighten
On 1/19/11 7:50 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
Honestly if a given part of an application needs something along this
line for performance reasons, then doing that on the same box where
the request is executed may be a bad idea. Tools like gearman will do
a far better jobs and will let you do resource
Hi!
I think the point is that the php language itself does not provide solid
construct for writing rock-solid code. Yes, there are many
programmers/hackers that can, but the effort they put is huge.
I think this is completely untrue.
In Java you are free to extend a class --yours or
Have you taken a look at Runkit_Sandbox? It may provide useful tips.
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On 20/01/11 10:17, Ángel González wrote:
Have you taken a look at Runkit_Sandbox? It may provide useful tips.
*headdesk*
No, I hadn't seen that. Thanks for pointing this out, it looks like
exactly what I was trying to reinvent...
Cheers,
Sam.
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On 19/01/11 23:10, Sam Vilain wrote:
On 20/01/11 10:17, Ángel González wrote:
Have you taken a look at Runkit_Sandbox? It may provide useful tips.
*headdesk*
No, I hadn't seen that. Thanks for pointing this out, it looks like
exactly what I was trying to reinvent...
Cheers,
Sam.
You may
Hi Sam:
(becomes off-topic here, but for the sake of argument)
On 19 Jan 2011, at 04:14, Sam Vilain wrote:
On 19/01/11 10:50, Stefan Marr wrote:
On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:16, Sam Vilain wrote:
there doesn't seem to
be an interpreter under the sun which has successfully pulled off
threading
Many PHP features should be language constructs, but they were made as
language hacks.
__construct is evil, as like any other language hack
It does not provides a safe fundation to build safe abstractions, reusable
and extendibles components, which leads to the lack of PHP libraries.
Let's
Hi!
Many PHP features should be language constructs, but they were made as
language hacks.
__construct is evil, as like any other language hack
Constructors are standard feature in many languages. There's nothing
evil in them.
class Client {
function __construct() {
// some
Hi!
1) any hints or clues from people familiar with the Zend subsystems -
such as memory management, and the various stacks, to provide hints as
to how to set them up correctly
Zend Engine keeps all state (including memory manager state, etc.)
separate in each thread, which means once you've
On 18/01/11 22:17, Stas Malyshev wrote:
1) any hints or clues from people familiar with the Zend subsystems -
such as memory management, and the various stacks, to provide hints as
to how to set them up correctly
Zend Engine keeps all state (including memory manager state, etc.)
separate in
Hi Sam:
I am following the discussion very interested, but just a question for
clarification:
On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:16, Sam Vilain wrote:
there doesn't seem to
be an interpreter under the sun which has successfully pulled off
threading with shared data.
Could you explain what you mean with
Hi!
Sorry, but that's my topic, and the most well know interpreters that
'pulled off' threading with shared data are for Java. The interpreter
Given to what complications Java programmers should go to make their
threaded code work, I have a lot of doubt that 95% of PHP users would be
able
Hello,
I don't think a language becomes a beginners language just because many
new programmers use it. And it's still not a good argument for not including
new features.
As long as the new thread doesn't share any memory/variables with the
spawning context, no reasoning is required at all. It's
Strongly second this. PHP is not a toy language restricted to beginners. If it has
advanced features, beginners simply don't need to use them.
If anything, I would argue that PHP is a language unsuited to beginners (and other
scripting languages), as it is so flexible it doesn't enforce good
On 19/01/11 10:50, Stefan Marr wrote:
On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:16, Sam Vilain wrote:
there doesn't seem to
be an interpreter under the sun which has successfully pulled off
threading with shared data.
Could you explain what you mean with that statement?
Sorry, but that's my topic, and the most
Hi!
Yes, I expected the two functions - tsrm_new_interpreter() and
init_executor() to do that, as it is the function called in
php_request_startup() in main/main.c
As far as I remember, you need to run the whole request startup for the
the thread, otherwise there will be unitilialized
Hi!
If anything, I would argue that PHP is a language unsuited to beginners (and
other
scripting languages), as it is so flexible it doesn't enforce good programming
practice. Java is much more a 'beginner language' because it has much stricter
Contrary to popular belief, people usually
Hi!
like map express this well. The idea is that the executor can start
up with no variables in scope, though hopefully shared code segments,
For that you would probably need to put some severe restrictions on your
code, such as:
1. No usage of default properties or statics in classes or
On 19/01/11 3:51 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
If anything, I would argue that PHP is a language unsuited to beginners (and
other
scripting languages), as it is so flexible it doesn't enforce good programming
practice. Java is much more a 'beginner language' because it has much stricter
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