Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

On 29 July 2017 21:22:30 BST, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> On a slight tangent, I consider $_SERVER to be a broken pile of >> "we'll just shove this in here and hope for the best", and I will >> oppose any attempt to convert it into an object which doesn't >> reorganize its

RE: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

> -Original Message- > From: kalle@gmail.com [mailto:kalle@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kalle > Sommer Nielsen > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:36 AM > To: Stanislav Malyshev > Cc: Sara Golemon ; PHP internals > Subject:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

Hi 2017-07-29 22:17 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Malyshev : > I've seen scenarios where it is very useful. Sure, you can always build > another layer of indirection and solve it this way, but it's just making > people do more work for no reason. I don't see any problem that would

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

Hi! > I for one thing it makes a lot of sense to make superglobals > read-only, writing to them seems more like a hack anyway and should be > avoided I've seen scenarios where it is very useful. Sure, you can always build another layer of indirection and solve it this way, but it's just making

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

Hi! > On a slight tangent, I consider $_SERVER to be a broken pile of > "we'll just shove this in here and hope for the best", and I will > oppose any attempt to convert it into an object which doesn't > reorganize its keys to be sane, documented, and as cross-platform as > the SAPI layer can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

On 29 July 2017 15:05:57 BST, Andrea Faulds wrote: >Hi Rowan, > >Rowan Collins wrote: >> On a slight tangent, I consider $_SERVER to be a broken pile of >"we'll just shove this in here and hope for the best", and I will >oppose any attempt to convert it into an object which doesn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 05:27, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > > Designing classes/interfaces to be correct the first time is a really > difficult thing to do, and then maintaining classes/interfaces is hard > as any change to a method is a BC break. Having done it several times

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

Hi Rowan, Rowan Collins wrote: On a slight tangent, I consider $_SERVER to be a broken pile of "we'll just shove this in here and hope for the best", and I will oppose any attempt to convert it into an object which doesn't reorganize its keys to be sane, documented, and as cross-platform as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

On 28 July 2017 at 16:11, Sara Golemon wrote: > ftr; I'd vote in favor of several BC breaking things to do with autoglobals, among them: > >* Make them objects (though ArrayAccess based for less hostile BC breakage) Why objects? Although these are kind of just about related

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:03 AM, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: make POST/GET/SERVER readonly - only when you refactor a 25 line code base as well as deplyed code which relies on the framework did the right thing with them previously :-) Are you advocating for read-only or

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

Hi Sara, >>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Sara Golemon >wrote: ftr; I'd vote in favor of several BC breaking things to do with autoglobals, among them: * Make them objects (though ArrayAccess based for less hostile BC breakage) * Make most of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

On Fr, 2017-07-28 at 11:11 -0400, Sara Golemon wrote: > I'm sure there will be many strong opinions on this, but let's move > this to a new thread. :D Language-wise, I think, refactoring that system would be good. I guess a refactoring is a register_globals-like project, which took 10 years from

Re: [PHP-DEV] Changes to SuperGlobals for PHP 8 (was: something about session_start...)

2017-07-28 17:11 GMT+02:00 Sara Golemon : > I'm sure there will be many strong opinions on this, but let's move > this to a new thread. :D > > 1. This would be an 8.0 change as it does represent a significant BC change. > 2. We can discuss the possibility of INI options or other