On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de
wrote:
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 21:08 +0100, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
there are two advantages for having 5.7 and having those deprecated
messages in 5.7:
1, if we introduce the deprecated message in 5.6.x, some people
Patrick Schaaf in php.internals (Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:36:33 +0100):
Now with PHP 7 promising potential for incompatibilities in a lot more
areas, it would be, to us, a really useful option to have a 5.7 that is
operationally fully compatible with 5.6 with added E_DEPRECATED for things
bound to
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year
?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Dec 12, 2014 9:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ?
Don't
On Dec 15, 2014 11:53 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Dec 12, 2014 9:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Pierre Joye wrote on 15/12/2014 17:39:
I hate to say that but if we stick to rules, this rfc and its result are
totally invalid and should be canceled.
What a bonkers statement. Just because you don't agree it's not
totally invalid. I think 34 vs 2 is a pretty solid argument for
sticking to
On 12 December 2014 at 23:19, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
3. Last (and probably least) - a 5.7 that breaks compatibility is
inconsistent with our version strategy, that suggests 5.7 should be fully
compatible with 5.6.
Whoa — I'm not talking about breaking compatibility. I'm talking
On 15 December 2014 at 08:51, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Yes, I disagree. It's a time thing. Let's all work on one thing instead
of *two*. Clearly you must see that there is not enough bandwidth? It
will also prevent people from oh we can get this into 5.7 nonsense.
It's not helpful,
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On 12 December 2014 at 23:19, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
3. Last
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On 15 December 2014 at 08:51, Derick Rethans
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
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Am 15.12.2014 20:43 schrieb Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com:
The extra pain associated with migrating to an interim
version - that does nothing but spew warnings in the right places -and
obviously doesn't have any of the other features of 7 - doesn't seem to
be a
worthwhile experience for most
On 15/12/14 20:08, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
there are two advantages for having 5.7 and having those deprecated
messages in 5.7:
1, if we introduce the deprecated message in 5.6.x, some people will miss
it (for example debian jessie has 5.6.2)
2, would allow us to stabilize 5.6 instead of keep
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 21:08 +0100, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
there are two advantages for having 5.7 and having those deprecated
messages in 5.7:
1, if we introduce the deprecated message in 5.6.x, some people will miss
it (for example debian jessie has 5.6.2)
So you want Debian to upgrade to 5.7
Hi,
On 15 Dec 2014, at 23:32, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 21:08 +0100, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
there are two advantages for having 5.7 and having those deprecated
messages in 5.7:
1, if we introduce the deprecated message in 5.6.x, some people will
On Dec 13, 2014 2:19 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
Levi, Andrea, Adam, and others that suggested we can do 5.7 in parallel
while sticking to the 7.0 timeline:
1. I was replying to Julien. Julien said in at least 3 different places
in
his email that if we do 5.7, we'll clearly not
On 12 December 2014 at 13:45, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote:
- If we go for 7.0 :
I wouldn't mind delaying its release to November(2015) if needed, its a
major, extra care should be taken. However, not later : our release process
status for 2 years of active life , if 7.0 were to be
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote:
Hi people.
Ferenc and I, actual RM of 5.5 and 5.6 , were discussing the calendar today
on IRC.
Let's start with facts :
- We release new PHP versions (major or minor) on summer. Usually, if we
can have it end of June, it
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ?
Don't forget, that if we go for a 5.7 , then we won't have a 7.0 at
least one year later.
We have accepted the timeline for
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ?
Don't forget, that if we go for a 5.7 , then we won't
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump
On Dec 12, 2014 9:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote:
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ?
Don't forget, that if we go for a 5.7 , then we won't have a
Just because we are releasing PHP 7.0 next year (well, according to
our timeline anyway) that doesn't mean we can't release a 5.7.
The advantage of PHP 5.7 is clear to me at least: it would extend
support for the 5.X series by another year, get bug fixes, and contain
E_DEPRECATED warnings and
On 12 December 2014 at 10:07, Levi Morrison le...@php.net wrote:
Just because we are releasing PHP 7.0 next year (well, according to
our timeline anyway) that doesn't mean we can't release a 5.7.
Agreed.
I have to apologise here — I've had a draft RFC half-written for over
a week at this point
So the main question is : *What version will we release next year ?*
We've already answered that question, as per the PHP 7 timeline RFC, we're
aiming to release PHP 7 in 2015. Sure, given the aggressive timeline
there's the possibility that we won't be able to make it on time, but that's
our
- If we go for 5.7 :
We could release it this summer (2015) , but that would mean that 7.0
wouldn't come before summer 2016.
Releasing a 5.7 will lean the release cycle curve, but it is not
mandatory, that
should be debatted.
A 5.7 that pushes 7.0 into Summer 2016 is IMHO a strategic
Hi!
On 12 Dec 2014, at 19:40, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
If not : we'll happen having 3 active versions (5.6 , 5.7 and 7.0) and one
sec-
fix only (5.5) , *this is something we don't want* , because we have the
feeling that it is too much pain to maintain so many versions alive.
On 12 December 2014 at 23:00, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
I must disagree: 5.7 would only be trivially different from 5.6
(deprecations), the effort involved is only as much as continuing to maintain
5.6, and we have to do that anyway. So there’s no problem with working on
both.
I
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- If we go for 5.7
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