Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-12 Thread Rowan Collins
On 12/01/2017 20:52, Paul Jones wrote: I would also add the support, bug and feature issues that will definitely crop up with such an interface. If there is a major bug, flaw or security issue, getting it fixed is going to be a problem, because as we know, the adoption of PHP is nowhere near

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-12 Thread Paul Jones
Hi Arvids, > On Jan 10, 2017, at 17:22, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > > I would also add the support, bug and feature issues that will definitely > crop up with such an interface. If there is a major bug, flaw or security > issue, getting it fixed is going to be a problem,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-10 Thread Arvids Godjuks
2017-01-10 22:11 GMT+02:00 Davey Shafik : > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Paul Jones wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 15:41, Joe Watkins wrote: > > > > > > That doesn't sound like a positive consensus that this is a good idea, >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-10 Thread Davey Shafik
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Paul Jones wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 15:41, Joe Watkins wrote: > > > > That doesn't sound like a positive consensus that this is a good idea, > it is rather the opposite. > > Not to get into interpretations of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-09 Thread Paul Jones
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 15:41, Joe Watkins wrote: > > That doesn't sound like a positive consensus that this is a good idea, it is > rather the opposite. Not to get into interpretations of comments, but while I agree that there were one or two actual negatives, they were

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-07 Thread Joe Watkins
Evening Paul, > My apologies for giving you cause to be surprised. I thought I had broadcast my intentions back in September but obviously I failed. My bad. The point of an internals discussion is to gather consensus that an RFC is a good idea; let us

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-07 Thread Paul Jones
Hi all, Replying to both Marco Pivetta and Joe Watkins here, as some of their critiques overlap. I apologize in advance for the length of this email. * * * On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:47, Marco Pivetta wrote: > Bundling the [PSR-7] interface is no biggie, so I suggest steering

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects

2017-01-07 Thread Joe Watkins
Morning Paul, Regardless of the details of the implementation, I feel it necessary to point out that this is a surprising RFC. There are extensions that are absolutely a core part of the ecosystem that remain outside of php-src because that is where they belong. xdebug is one, apc was another,