Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-07 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi, On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 5:49 PM Kamil Tekiela wrote: > It's WSL2 > uname -r > 5.4.72-microsoft-standard-WSL2 > no need to test on wsl2, that's a dockerized linux. best, Pierre >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-07 Thread Kamil Tekiela
It's WSL2 uname -r 5.4.72-microsoft-standard-WSL2

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-07 Thread Hans Henrik Bergan
WSL1 or WSL2? afaik they have significant performance differences, and we should only consider WSL2 as WSL1 is being deprecated afaik On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 12:31, Kamil Tekiela wrote: > > It would be great if someone on > Windows and macos could repeat this experiment > > I ran this on Windows

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-07 Thread Kamil Tekiela
> It would be great if someone on Windows and macos could repeat this experiment I ran this on Windows and I got the following results: Native Windows build: Without cache real0m31.170s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s With cache real0m0.694s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s Ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-07 Thread Nikita Popov
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:10 PM Kevin Lyda wrote: > [sent a second time, now to the list, sorry] > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:53 PM Christian Schneider > wrote: > > How can you say "it never was a problem" if we never had to live without > stat cache? > > Can you back up that claim with numbers?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 10:50 PM Christian Schneider wrote: > Am 06.09.2021 um 16:46 schrieb Pierre Joye : > > Also as someone mentioned here afterwards, instead of removing it > > straight away, I would go with the flag first, less risky :) > > Out of curiosity: Do you think disabling the stat

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 06.09.2021 um 16:46 schrieb Pierre Joye : > Also as someone mentioned here afterwards, instead of removing it > straight away, I would go with the flag first, less risky :) Out of curiosity: Do you think disabling the stat cache could be harmful? If no, why make it an option? If yes, should we

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:05 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote: > > On 06.09.2021 at 14:00, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 6:14 PM Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:51 PM Hans Henrik Bergan > >> wrote: > >> > >> The stat cache does not necessarily solve this

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 05.09.2021 um 13:30 schrieb Kevin Lyda : > Any more thoughts on https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5894 ? > I've resolved the merge conflict. It would be nice to close out this bug. For the record in case it was missed: If we deem the stat cache to be useless I'd rather remove it completely

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 06.09.2021 at 14:00, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 6:14 PM Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:51 PM Hans Henrik Bergan >> wrote: >> >> The stat cache does not necessarily solve this issues though, only in very >> limited cases where you work with the *same*

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 6:14 PM Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:51 PM Hans Henrik Bergan > wrote: > > > The stat cache does not necessarily solve this issues though, only in very > limited cases where you work with the *same* file over and over again. The > stat cache only ever

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-06 Thread Benjamin Eberlei
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:51 PM Hans Henrik Bergan wrote: > PS i've seen *HORRIBLE* fs performance for php-running-on-windows, > where the same filesystem operations on the same files took like 5 seconds > on linux-running-on-vmware-on-laptop-running-windows-10, versus several > minutes for the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-04 Thread Kevin Lyda
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:51 PM Hans Henrik Bergan wrote: > PS i've seen *HORRIBLE* fs performance for php-running-on-windows, > where the same filesystem operations on the same files took like 5 seconds > on linux-running-on-vmware-on-laptop-running-windows-10, versus several > minutes for the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Pierre Joye
Good morning, On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 4:51 AM Hans Henrik Bergan wrote: > > PS i've seen *HORRIBLE* fs performance for php-running-on-windows, > where the same filesystem operations on the same files took like 5 seconds > on linux-running-on-vmware-on-laptop-running-windows-10, versus several >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Hans Henrik Bergan
PS i've seen *HORRIBLE* fs performance for php-running-on-windows, where the same filesystem operations on the same files took like 5 seconds on linux-running-on-vmware-on-laptop-running-windows-10, versus several minutes for the same operation on the same laptop on windows 10 directly.. for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Lyda
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:12 PM Christian Schneider wrote: > I'm interested in the load put on a system with a high request count and a > typical application. > Reducing system calls used to matter there as the kernel does not > multi-process the same way user land does. > > But then again,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 03.09.2021 um 18:12 schrieb Kevin Lyda mailto:ke...@lyda.ie>>: > To run this php script: > > $iterations = 100; > function all_the_stats($filename) { > @lstat($filename); > @stat($filename); > } > while ($iterations--) { > all_the_stats(__FILE__); > } > > I see this output: > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Lyda
[sent a second time, now to the list, sorry] On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:53 PM Christian Schneider wrote: > How can you say "it never was a problem" if we never had to live without stat > cache? > Can you back up that claim with numbers? There are some of us who run > high-volume websites where

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Lyda
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:24 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > Just to throw it out there: Maybe we should clear the stat cache when > functions in the exec family are used? Even if we allow disabling the stat > cache, I think we can easily avoid that particular footgun. And if calls to > external

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 03.09.2021 um 17:23 schrieb Nikita Popov : > Just to throw it out there: Maybe we should clear the stat cache when > functions in the exec family are used? Even if we allow disabling the stat > cache, I think we can easily avoid that particular footgun. And if calls to > external binaries

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Nikita Popov
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:08 PM Kevin Lyda wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:34 PM Christian Schneider > wrote: > > If I remember correctly it was about reducing the number of system > calls. Is this no issue any more? > > Has a quick benchmark been done to see the positive / negative impact of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 03.09.2021 at 16:07, Kevin Lyda wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:34 PM Christian Schneider > wrote: > >> If I remember correctly it was about reducing the number of system calls. Is >> this no issue any more? >> Has a quick benchmark been done to see the positive / negative impact of the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 03.09.2021 um 16:07 schrieb Kevin Lyda : > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:34 PM Christian Schneider > wrote: >> If I remember correctly it was about reducing the number of system calls. Is >> this no issue any more? >> Has a quick benchmark been done to see the positive / negative impact of the >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Lyda
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:34 PM Christian Schneider wrote: > If I remember correctly it was about reducing the number of system calls. Is > this no issue any more? > Has a quick benchmark been done to see the positive / negative impact of the > stat cache for a typical application? In the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 02.09.2021 um 13:15 schrieb Kevin Lyda : > Removing it completely would be ideal, however a number of people objected > in the linked bug. And while it's not needed in modern Unix operating > systems, it's not clear if Windows might benefit from this. If I remember correctly it was about

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-03 Thread Nikita Popov
On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:27 AM Kevin Lyda wrote: > PHP has a stat cache which is... unfortunate. As noted in this bug from > 2004[0] it causes a number of issues for PHP users and is irrelevant > in modern operating systems. Heck, it's not even useful in OS's people > might consider ancient at

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-02 Thread Kevin Lyda
Just as an aside, Lynn and Peter are two more people who have had this issue - in addition to the folks mentioned in the various bugs about this. Really would like clear guidance on what's needed to move the PR on once I resolve the current merge conflict. On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 9:49 AM Peter

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-02 Thread Peter Bowyer
On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 09:27, Kevin Lyda wrote: > The change I've made will allow people to disable the > cache so that it won't cause errors and it leaves the current broken > behaviour in place. > Is there any good reason not to remove it completely? I've been bitten by the stat cache before

Re: [PHP-DEV] Adding a way to disable the stat cache

2021-09-02 Thread Lynn
On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:27 AM Kevin Lyda wrote: > PHP has a stat cache which is... unfortunate. As noted in this bug from > 2004[0] it causes a number of issues for PHP users and is irrelevant > in modern operating systems. Heck, it's not even useful in OS's people > might consider ancient at