Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 7.4.0beta2 is available for testing

2019-08-20 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Sara Golemon in php.internals (Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:03:07 -0500): >On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > >> Derick Rethans in php.internals (Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:53:28 +0100 (BST)): >> >PHP 7.4.0beta2 has just been released and can be downloaded from: >> >> Was 7.4.0beta3 skipped?

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 23:37, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On 20/08/2019 22:18, Peter Kokot wrote: > >> The approach was: add the deprecation notice in PHP 8, and remove short > >> open tags in PHP 9 or PHP 10 (purposely left vague to get more support for > >> the idea - as getting the deprecation

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Rowan Tommins
On 20/08/2019 22:18, Peter Kokot wrote: The approach was: add the deprecation notice in PHP 8, and remove short open tags in PHP 9 or PHP 10 (purposely left vague to get more support for the idea - as getting the deprecation underway is the most important move). I guess we should really

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:47, Peter Bowyer wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: >> >> Let's simplify this a bit because I'm not sure I have seen anyone >> mentioning something like a PHP 10 milestone in all these discussions. >> If we want to get rid of some feature like

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 7.4.0beta2 is available for testing

2019-08-20 Thread Sara Golemon
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > Derick Rethans in php.internals (Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:53:28 +0100 (BST)): > >PHP 7.4.0beta2 has just been released and can be downloaded from: > > Was 7.4.0beta3 skipped? 7.4.0beta4 is now tagged at Github. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: var_export - short syntax for array

2019-08-20 Thread Sara Golemon
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:05 PM Влад Макин wrote: > I would like to propose a little change in var_export function behavior. > For today, this function returns string representation of array in old > style with “array” keyword: > > var_export([]); // array() > > I think it would be better if the

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 7.4.0beta2 is available for testing

2019-08-20 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Derick Rethans in php.internals (Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:53:28 +0100 (BST)): >PHP 7.4.0beta2 has just been released and can be downloaded from: Was 7.4.0beta3 skipped? 7.4.0beta4 is now tagged at Github. https://github.com/php/php-src/releases/tag/php-7.4.0beta4 -- Jan -- PHP Internals - PHP

[PHP-DEV] Elevating Errors: Helpers + Formatting

2019-08-20 Thread Mark Randall
Greetings, A week or so ago, G.P.B. submitted a pull request that contained a declare that would automatically elevate certain errors to Error exceptions (https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/4549). As part of the discussion, Nikic stated the following: "I believe it's okay to convert this

[PHP-DEV] RFC: var_export - short syntax for array

2019-08-20 Thread Влад Макин
Hello! I would like to propose a little change in var_export function behavior. For today, this function returns string representation of array in old style with “array” keyword: var_export([]); // array() I think it would be better if the function returned array representation in modern square

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Sara Golemon
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:44 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > This has been a topic of discussion in the past. The agreement was that > > non-author edits are permitted if they are isolated to a clear > > "counter-arguments" section. If someone had changed the meaning of the > RFC > > or of your

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Bowyer
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: > Let's simplify this a bit because I'm not sure I have seen anyone > mentioning something like a PHP 10 milestone in all these discussions. > If we want to get rid of some feature like this a very long timeline > needs to be done and also major

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread G. P. B.
2019年8月20日(火) 16:47 Rowan Tommins : > On 20/08/2019 13:51, G. P. B. wrote: > >- I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited*WITHOUT* > my > > knowledge to add endorsement names on the counterargument to the RFC on > the > > RFC itself when the appropriate place would have been

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Rowan Tommins
On 20/08/2019 17:56, Peter Kokot wrote: Probably. But fact is that PHP opening short tags can be used. We can enable them in controlled environments and use the short tags knowing they will never be removed now. No deprecation warning is standing in our way to do that now. And such code (or

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:39, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > On 20/08/2019 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: > > About the docs - there are > > very minor changes needed where "backwards compatibility" is mentioned > > maybe. Because they are not in PHP for keeping BC anymore now. Nobody > > proposed a better

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Rowan Tommins
On 20/08/2019 17:18, Peter Kokot wrote: About the docs - there are very minor changes needed where "backwards compatibility" is mentioned maybe. Because they are not in PHP for keeping BC anymore now. Nobody proposed a better solution than this RFC, then they are a feature. Being "for

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:02, Chase Peeler wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:51, G. P. B. wrote: > > > > > > Hello internals, > > > > > > This RFC has been declined with 56% in favour (30/54) and 44% against > > > (24/54). > > > > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Chase Peeler
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:51, G. P. B. wrote: > > > > Hello internals, > > > > This RFC has been declined with 56% in favour (30/54) and 44% against > > (24/54). > > > > Two side notes to this: > > > > - I seriously don't appreciate that

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:51, G. P. B. wrote: > > Hello internals, > > This RFC has been declined with 56% in favour (30/54) and 44% against > (24/54). > > Two side notes to this: > > - I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited *WITHOUT* my > knowledge to add endorsement names

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Sara Golemon
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:51 AM G. P. B. wrote: > - I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited *WITHOUT* my > knowledge to add endorsement names on the counterargument to the RFC on the > RFC itself when the appropriate place would have been the counter argument > document. > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread Rowan Tommins
On 20/08/2019 13:51, G. P. B. wrote: - I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited*WITHOUT* my knowledge to add endorsement names on the counterargument to the RFC on the RFC itself when the appropriate place would have been the counter argument document. While I appreciate

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

2019-08-20 Thread G. P. B.
Hello internals, This RFC has been declined with 56% in favour (30/54) and 44% against (24/54). Two side notes to this: - I seriously don't appreciate that the RFC has been edited *WITHOUT* my knowledge to add endorsement names on the counterargument to the RFC on the RFC itself when the

[PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: noobshow

2019-08-20 Thread Olumide Samson
Hi internals@, I'm Olumide Samson, lead developer at Zapay Inc(a financial service provider). All of our backend codes are written majorly in PHP(which is a language i've been programming in since 2007) and C(since 2006) which i write advance sys-related programs in... I'm hoping i could