Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

Hello, if you would drop zend engine as is and the idea behind it (which is most difficult thing to admit and accept), then use llvm-core. Making: -- lexer, parser grammar -- reference counting -- type hint policies -- builtins container -- JITTER for compatibility. -- bytecode -- LLVM bytecode

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On 16/08/2019 17:40, Chase Peeler wrote A BC break to clean up the language might be justified in one case, and not in another. To make a blanket statement that we will or will not attempt to clean up the language is not wise in my opinion. It puts the project in a bad place if it's forced to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM Mark Randall wrote: > On 16/08/2019 11:18, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > > It is not necessarily required to have an implementation for an RFC > > available, see item (6) in . > > I have enormous respect for Derick, but I can't help

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 5:08 PM Mark Randall wrote: > On 16/08/2019 11:18, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > > It is not necessarily required to have an implementation for an RFC > > available, see item (6) in . > > I have enormous respect for Derick, but I can't help

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On 16/08/2019 11:18, Christoph M. Becker wrote: It is not necessarily required to have an implementation for an RFC available, see item (6) in . I have enormous respect for Derick, but I can't help but feel this "RFC" was bodged from the start. There's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On 16.08.2019 at 01:39, Peter Kokot wrote: > Off topic question/request if it's maybe possible and doable unless > I've missed something. Current RFC process is in short something like > writing a text document together with the implementation itself via a > pull request already and at the same

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

Hello, On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 17:14, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Hi, > > In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea. > Before we end up spending this project's time and energy to explore this > idea further, I thought it'd be wise to see if there is enough animo for >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

I did not intent to write anything else in this thread, but since someone reverted the edits I made to fix the description of the P++ idea in the poll, I have to. One of the many ways in which this poll was problematic is that it substantially misrepresents the idea - while claiming that this is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

Power of democracy, maturity and love(for this same project PHP), I guess. If this same love and energy could be put in place to know the directions and future PHP hold(like are we moving forward or not), that will seriously be a game changer. On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:00 PM Kris Craig wrote: >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 3:20 AM Olumide Samson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 10:52 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:41, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > In the last week(s) there has

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 10:52 AM Peter Kokot wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:41, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea. > > > Before we end up spending

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:41, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea. > > Before we end up spending this project's time and energy to explore this > > idea further, I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > Hi, > > In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea. > Before we end up spending this project's time and energy to explore this > idea further, I thought it'd be wise to see if there is enough animo for > this.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

I would say, PHP needs a direction(where're we headed?) than having a split language. Seriously, the core team have *tons of kudos* from the outside world(even outside of PHP) and i think something called for those serious implementation and i believe everyone(or simply put, the majority) one day

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:14, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Hi, > > In the last week(s) there has been a lot of chat about Zeev's P++ idea. > Before we end up spending this project's time and energy to explore this > idea further, I thought it'd be wise to see if there is enough animo for > this.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:27 AM Sara Golemon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/p-plus-plus > > > > To follow up my no vote; What I'm against is splitting the language on > hard boundaries that never disappear, only widen. I'm also a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

Hi! my 2c: As I understood, Zeev said about two camps: ones want to make PHP more strict, others – not. Maybe, is more productive to discuss the general direction of PHP (it will be a strict road or not) instead of 4 months disputes about short open tags, or sisters language or other

Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote: Straw poll for P++ feasibility

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM Derick Rethans wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/p-plus-plus > > To follow up my no vote; What I'm against is splitting the language on hard boundaries that never disappear, only widen. I'm also a 'No' on Editions, but slightly less of a 'No', and possibly a