Hi!
On 7/17/11 6:32 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
there been a proper discussion or RFC on this topic for 5.4. The vote
was premature. Would it have turned out differently had we done it
properly? Probably, but at least we'd have a proper reference point
for why we removed a security feature that was
On 18 July 2011 01:31, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/17/11 3:03 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:
Why bother having defaults if you don't use them.
Err, well, the way PHP ini system works you always have defaults - something
is always stored in the hash.
My local ini
hi,
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Richard Quadling rquadl...@gmail.com wrote:
Currently working really only encompasses running PhD on Windows (new
setup for the new home laptop).
But, in essence, the inability to rely on one default setting
inescapably leads to the inability to rely on
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com
wrote:
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs are the recommended
setting, if you
Hi:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 05:31:05PM -0700, Stas Malyshev wrote:
On 7/17/11 3:03 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:
My local ini file is 6 lines long. Works perfectly.
And you rely on magic_quotes being on, right? Then you have peculiar
definition of working perfectly.
Let's not pick fights
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com
wrote:
Nobody runs PHP with
On 17 July 2011 02:04, Daniel Convissor
dani...@analysisandsolutions.com wrote:
Hi Stas:
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs are the
recommended setting, if you ignore that, you do it at your own
peril.
I've seen many servers that run with php.ini files that have only a
Hi!
On 7/17/11 3:03 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:
Why bother having defaults if you don't use them.
Err, well, the way PHP ini system works you always have defaults -
something is always stored in the hash.
My local ini file is 6 lines long. Works perfectly.
And you rely on magic_quotes
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/17/11 3:03 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:
Why bother having defaults if you don't use them.
Err, well, the way PHP ini system works you always have defaults - something
is always stored in the hash.
My
Hi!
On 7/17/11 5:35 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
Stas, could we change the default value?
pretty please?
We could, but what's the point if we're removing it altogether?
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On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
On 7/17/11 3:03 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:
Why bother having defaults if you don't use them.
Err, well, the way PHP ini system works you always have defaults - something
is always stored in the hash.
His point was that you
Hi!
On 7/17/11 5:46 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
And you rely on magic_quotes being on, right? Then you have peculiar definition of
working perfectly.
Nobody here said they rely on magic quotes, and that is not related to what a
default value means,
or how they are handled.
We're discussing
On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
On 7/17/11 5:46 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
And you rely on magic_quotes being on, right? Then you have peculiar
definition of working perfectly.
Nobody here said they rely on magic quotes, and that is not related to what
a default
Hi Stas:
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs are the
recommended setting, if you ignore that, you do it at your own
peril.
I've seen many servers that run with php.ini files that have only a few
lines in them, relying on the defaults for most of the behavior.
--Dan
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T H
Hello,
Is it possible to add Weak References to this todo list?
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=52318
I've been waiting over a year now for this feature. It's a critical part of
object relational layer mapping and my framework will be broken until it
exists. One of our important customer
Hi!
On 7/14/11 8:50 AM, Hannes Landeholm wrote:
Hello,
Is it possible to add Weak References to this todo list?
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=52318
Probably not for 5.4.0. This looks like a thing that needs an RFC and
discussion (and implementation of course ;).
--
Stanislav Malyshev,
Okay, maybe it could be attempted to be squeezed in anyway to 5.4? I really
need this feature and apparently others feel the same way.
- It would benefit MVC framework design - one of the most common design
pattern for web development.
- The ticket has been open for over a year now and it has a
Hi!
On 7/14/11 11:43 AM, Hannes Landeholm wrote:
Okay, maybe it could be attempted to be squeezed in anyway to 5.4? I
really need this feature and apparently others feel the same way.
We don't even have an RFC on it, let alone consensus implementation,
and we'd have a beta in a little more
On 07/14/2011 11:43 AM, Hannes Landeholm wrote:
Okay, maybe it could be attempted to be squeezed in anyway to 5.4? I really
need this feature and apparently others feel the same way.
- It would benefit MVC framework design - one of the most common design
pattern for web development.
- The
Maybe it could be implemented as a PECL package and then on a future version
added to the core of PHP?
2011/7/14 Hannes Landeholm landeh...@gmail.com
Okay, maybe it could be attempted to be squeezed in anyway to 5.4? I really
need this feature and apparently others feel the same way.
- It
On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
On 7/11/11 5:09 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
this previously accepted RFC is not about removing magic quotes. And I'm the
author of said RFC. It deals with PHP 5.3 which removed get_magic_quotes_*()
so this old RFC restored them into both
Hi!
On 7/13/11 8:55 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
But this topic (removing magic quotes from 5.4) was not proposed on
this list, so the vote feels premature. The only related RFC on the
matter involves PHP 6, and it isn't specific to MQ. Granted we all
don't like MQ, but this security feature is
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 8:55 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
But this topic (removing magic quotes from 5.4) was not proposed on
this list, so the vote feels premature. The only related RFC on the
matter involves PHP 6, and it
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:11 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I would also change my vote, I would go with keeping it deprecated,
but turning it off by default (currently it isn't done, but the
suggested development/production inis have this turned off), and
remove it with the next minor version bump.
Which
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:11 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I would also change my vote, I would go with keeping it deprecated,
but turning it off by default (currently it isn't done, but the
suggested development/production
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1
1
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs are the recommended
setting, if you ignore that, you do it at your own peril.
--
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1
1
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs
Hi!
On 7/13/11 12:28 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do in many situations while testing and debugging and that's why the
default values exist.
Can't we keep it on topic? Do you need magic quotes when you're
debugging? Do you expect it to have the same value with and without -n?
Does your code
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
...@sugarcrm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:40 PM
To: Pierre Joye
Cc: Ferenc Kovacs; Philip Olson; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] 5.4 features vote
Hi!
On 7/13/11 12:28 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do in many situations while testing and debugging and that's why the
default
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 12:28 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do in many situations while testing and debugging and that's why the
default values exist.
Can't we keep it on topic? Do you need magic quotes when you're debugging?
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Moshe, Sam sam.mo...@tmng.com wrote:
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm new here, and uncertain as to
where to go to get caught up.
What's so wrong with magic quotes that they need to be removed from the
language entirely?
Links of advice would be
Am 13.07.2011 21:50, schrieb Moshe, Sam:
What's so wrong with magic quotes that they need to be removed from the
language entirely?
they are idiotic because useless for escaping database inputs
and you need to find out this setting to remove them by
stripslashes() if enabled from some dumb
Great responses, all of them.
Thanks everybody for the insight.
Apologies if I veered off topic.
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From: Reindl Harald [mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:56 PM
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] 5.4 features vote
Am
On Jul 8, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
I've created a voting page for the features in 5.4 TODO list for which we
need to find consensus. Please go there:
https://wiki.php.net/todo/php54/vote
and vote!
See also links to relevant RFCs on the TODO page:
Hi!
On 7/11/11 5:09 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
this previously accepted RFC is not about removing magic quotes. And I'm the
author of said RFC. It deals with PHP 5.3 which removed get_magic_quotes_*()
so this old RFC restored them into both PHP 5.3+ and PHP 6.
Yes, it's not exactly what is being
Hi!
On 7/9/11 6:47 AM, Laruence wrote:
Hi:
can we add Foreach supporting T_LIST token into this vote?
RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/foreachlist
If the author thinks it's mature enough he can put it up to the vote.
One aspect I see that is not covered is if the references would work in
Hi:
okey,
I have updated the vote wiki page.
thanks
2011/7/11 Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com:
Hi!
On 7/9/11 6:47 AM, Laruence wrote:
Hi:
can we add Foreach supporting T_LIST token into this vote?
RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/foreachlist
If the author thinks it's mature
Hi!
I've created a voting page for the features in 5.4 TODO list for which
we need to find consensus. Please go there:
https://wiki.php.net/todo/php54/vote
and vote!
See also links to relevant RFCs on the TODO page:
https://wiki.php.net/todo/php54
If something is unclear or you notice a
Hi:
can we add Foreach supporting T_LIST token into this vote?
RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/foreachlist
thanks
2011/7/9 Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com:
Hi!
I've created a voting page for the features in 5.4 TODO list for which we
need to find consensus. Please go there:
Hi Stas,
Do you feel this is the somewhat final list for 5.4 or is will there be
some room for new RFCs (I¹m thinking of Annotations, were an updated RFC
was promised).
With regards,
Lars
Am 09.07.11 08:30 schrieb Stas Malyshev unter smalys...@sugarcrm.com:
Hi!
I've created a voting page for
Hi!
On 7/9/11 10:03 AM, Lars Strojny wrote:
Hi Stas,
Do you feel this is the somewhat final list for 5.4 or is will there be
some room for new RFCs (I¹m thinking of Annotations, were an updated RFC
was promised).
My feeling is annotations is better to wait till next version, it's
pretty big
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