[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Hi internals, I'm happy to announce that the RFC was accepted with 17 votes for and 2 against. The secondary vote about introducing a deprecation notice on 7.3 was rejected. I have moved the RFC to a new section for accepted PHP 8.0 RFCs under the Pending Implementation section. You can find the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Am 12.06.2017 um 08:14 schrieb Davey Shafik: > It would be best to just kill the vote and start over. The proposal should > be for deprecation notice in 7.2 and implementation in 8.0 IMO — it should > be one vote, as doing both together should be the only option. +1 -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Pedro, It would be best to just kill the vote and start over. The proposal should be for deprecation notice in 7.2 and implementation in 8.0 IMO — it should be one vote, as doing both together should be the only option. - Davey On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Pedro Magalhães

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:52 AM, François Laupretre wrote: > > I am sorry you take it this way. Voting today on a feature for 8.0 > wouldn't be ridiculous and it would make me change my vote, as most others. > Instead of nonsense, it would be a sign of maturity for the PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 10.06.2017 at 21:29, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 8 June 2017 08:52:41 BST, "François Laupretre" wrote: >> It would be great, IMO, to open a 'Approved for 8.0' section >> on >> the RFC page now, and your RFC could proudly be the 1st one to enter >> it. > > I definitely agree

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 8 June 2017 08:52:41 BST, "François Laupretre" wrote: > It would be great, IMO, to open a 'Approved for 8.0' section >on >the RFC page now, and your RFC could proudly be the 1st one to enter >it. I definitely agree with this, as I've argued before for a more timeline based

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Hi Pedro, Le 07/06/2017 à 20:23, Pedro Magalhães a écrit : I will not change the target version now during the voting phase. Also because it wouldn't make sense to vote for a feature for 8.0 yet. If the RFC is rejected and the sentiment is that most people would agree with the change but not

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Am 07.06.2017 um 16:23 schrieb Pedro Magalhães: On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: you can't simply pass something that *incidentally* changes a pre-established rule Hi Rowan, Would you consider that that is not the case for your own RFC?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 6/7/2017 8:23 PM, Pedro Magalhães wrote: > I will not change the target version now during the voting phase. Also > because it wouldn't make sense to vote for a feature for 8.0 yet. If the > RFC is rejected and the sentiment is that most people would agree with the > change but not with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:41 PM, François Laupretre wrote: > > So, I respectfully ask you to change target to PHP 8 or explain why we > should make an exception to the process. Reasons you gave so far are OK for > a major version, but not for a minor one. This is not against

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 7 June 2017 17:36:01 BST, "Pedro Magalhães" wrote: >On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Rowan Collins >wrote: > >> On 7 June 2017 15:23:13 BST, "Pedro Magalhães" >wrote: >> >On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Rowan Collins

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 7 June 2017 15:23:13 BST, "Pedro Magalhães" wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Rowan Collins > >wrote: > > > >> you can't simply pass something that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 7 June 2017 15:23:13 BST, "Pedro Magalhães" wrote: >On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Rowan Collins >wrote: > >> you can't simply pass something that *incidentally* changes a >> pre-established rule > > >Hi Rowan, > >Would you consider that that is not

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > you can't simply pass something that *incidentally* changes a > pre-established rule Hi Rowan, Would you consider that that is not the case for your own RFC? https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-bareword-strings

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 07.06.2017 at 15:32, Dan Ackroyd wrote: > On 7 June 2017 at 13:41, François Laupretre wrote: > >> Right. Introducing this change is not compatible with the release process, >> whatever the result of the vote... explain why we >> should make an exception to the process. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 7 June 2017 14:32:50 BST, Dan Ackroyd wrote: >The RFC process is the way that we change the rules, and RFCs are not >constrained by any previous RFC or by any 'constitution' as PHP >doesn't have one. This is similar to how the UK parliament isn't >constrained by any

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 7 June 2017 at 13:41, François Laupretre wrote: > Hi, > > Right. Introducing this change is not compatible with the release process, > whatever the result of the vote... explain why we > should make an exception to the process. The RFC process is the way that we change

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

Hi, Right. Introducing this change is not compatible with the release process, whatever the result of the vote. So, I respectfully ask you to change target to PHP 8 or explain why we should make an exception to the process. Reasons you gave so far are OK for a major version, but not for a

[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index

On 06.06.2017 at 19:55, Pedro Magalhães wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just opened the vote on this RFC. > > The main goal of the RFC is to eliminate the inconsistency in arrays when > negative numeric keys are used explicitly and the following implicit keys > will start from zero. > > You can