Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-25 Thread Rowan Collins
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:12, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > A good reading on consensus in technical discussions is this: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282 I just skimmed that document, and I think there's a lot we could learn from it, if we had the confidence to truly reform. You could

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-23 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Tue, 2019-07-16 at 08:00 -0700, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > Now unanimity implies consensus however not having a unanimous vote > does > > not mean there is no consensus. > > Moreover, even though "consensus" does come from the Latin > *cōnsēnsus* (“agreement, > > accordance, unanimity”) [3] it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-22 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > The reality is that right now, the PHP project somehow became > deprecation-oriented, and lost its long established guideline of bias for > downwards compatibility. Hear, hear! I am positively astonished at so many RFCs trying to deprecate so many functions in PHP. Who does it help? Who

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-17 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:07 AM G. P. B. wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 17:00, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM G. P. B. > wrote: > > > >> The RFC process establishes a consensus when 2/3 of the voters agree, > >> which is currently the case. > >> > > > > As the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-16 Thread G. P. B.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 17:00, Zeev Suraski wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM G. P. B. wrote: > >> The RFC process establishes a consensus when 2/3 of the voters agree, >> which is currently the case. >> > > As the author of that RFC, I can tell you with complete confidence that >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-16 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM G. P. B. wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 16:18, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Secondly the word you are looking for here is "unanimity"/"unanimous" as > per the Cambridge dictionary [1]: > >> *If a group of people are unanimous, they all agree about one particular >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-16 Thread G. P. B.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 16:18, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Given apparently nobody has paid any attention to this email (both in terms > of my support of deprecating hebrevc(), and my request to reconsider > supporting proposals with substantial numbers of 'nay' voters) - I'm > resending it one more

[PHP-DEV] Re: hebrevc() and other 'contentious' 7.4 proposed deprecations

2019-07-16 Thread Zeev Suraski
Given apparently nobody has paid any attention to this email (both in terms of my support of deprecating hebrevc(), and my request to reconsider supporting proposals with substantial numbers of 'nay' voters) - I'm resending it one more time for consideration: On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 2:33 PM