Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-11-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Sara Golemon wrote: While it's technically safe to include user supplied data in json_encode() serialized values. The fact that characters such as ' remain as is means there room for some as-yet unidentified problem either in the browser's rendering or (more likely) elsewhere in one's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: CVSROOT / avail loginfo

2007-11-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Richard Quadling wrote: The idea of a major world player contributing to our lill' old PHP sounds really exciting. The more the merrier, as long as the peer-review process works (and it seems to have kept me out of the core well enough!), let them come! We welcome any and all contributions,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-11-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: I can't because I don't know of any successful vectors *currently*. I also would have sworn that echoing htmlentified data was safeuntil I came across a browser where it wasn't. So that's what I wanted to understand, because if we add this feature, we should

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-12-01 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote: Is such filtering specific to JSON? Does it have some use out of JSON-context? Maybe it would be better to provide a set of functions for encoding characters into '\u'-entities? (similiar to htmlentities, htmlspecialchars) because if we speak of 'theoretical'

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-12-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote: On 12/2/07, Rasmus Lerdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The \u syntax is specific to JSON, yes. \u syntax is specific to javascripts string literals, regular expressions and identifiers[1] And JSON is not the only way to deliver data into javascript. Manual approaches

Re: [PHP-DEV] people.php.net

2007-12-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I have some new code for it. I'll try to find some time to update it over the next couple of weeks. -Rasmus Silvano Girardi Jr wrote: Gentleman, This morning I went to see Lukas speaking at the Brazilian PHP Conference and he mentioned http://people.php.net He said that it started with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] people.php.net

2007-12-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Nah, it does more than that. David Coallier wrote: You mean something like http://pear.php.net/map ? On Dec 3, 2007 12:44 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some new code for it. I'll try to find some time to update it over the next couple of weeks. -Rasmus Silvano

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-12-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Stuff like this often isn't completely deterministic. The attack vectors will move around and new ones will be discovered but since the syntax Sara is proposing is completely valid JSON it gives people another tool. Documenting specific attack vectors is useful too,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Garbage collector patch

2007-12-04 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Antony Dovgal wrote: On 04.12.2007 18:31, Andi Gutmans wrote: You may be right longer term but shorter term I still believe there may be stability issues with this patch some of which we haven't figured out. Although we did testing and found crash bugs I wouldn't trust our level of testing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Garbage collector patch

2007-12-04 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think having it configurable is a must. Turning it on / off via a compile flag will not suit everyone. Looking at the code, that isn't really possible. You could have a switch to turn off the collection, but that won't get you your performance back. To avoid the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Garbage collector patch

2007-12-04 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: 1. Always compile it in but leave undocumented #ifdefs in place for performance freaks. Those same performance freaks aren't going to care about the binary compatibility issue since they are the same people who build all their own stuff. Note that breaking BC is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposed feature for json_encode()

2007-12-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Keryx Web wrote: Alexey Zakhlestin skrev: I think I understand what the use-case is… If the browser doesn't know anything about script tag, it is supposed to interpret it's contents as html… In which case, html-tags which appear in javascript code will actually become active ones And in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Garbage collector patch

2007-12-18 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Making sure it is ifdef'ed nicely would let us leave it in CVS until we get it right and if it causes problems for some people they have a way to build PHP without it. And yes, that means their build won't be binary compatible, which is fine and no different from them trying to revert the patch

Re: [PHP-DEV] type hinting

2008-01-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
PHP is first and foremost a Web scripting language. Everything we do and every decision is based on that. For every feature the first question you need to ask yourselves is: Will this make it easier or harder for the average PHP user to build a web app? And if it makes it harder, is the

Re: [PHP-DEV] type hinting

2008-01-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stefan Esser wrote: Be conservative in what you do; be liberal in what you accept from others. You hopefully realise that this is exactly the opposite of your earlier opinion that ext/filter should be used to block everything and let only harmless data through. And only have raw data on

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] date/timelib: use system timezone database

2008-01-10 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Joe Orton wrote: I'm not sure I find the logic of the but the system-provided data will become stale arguments convincing; systems which are left unmaintained by the administrators will have old versions of software on; that's a given. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Array syntax []

2008-01-10 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
And my stance hasn't changed either: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117060700805108w=2 Andi Gutmans wrote: Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm

Re: [PHP-DEV] SUMMARY: Array syntax

2008-01-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Johannes Schlüter wrote: But well in my results I have a problem: For Rasmus's vote I've counted a -1 while as such this syntax is appropriate I think has to be counted as +1. I don't understand how you interpreted my view as a -1. I'm somewhat ambivalent about it, but I don't think it would

Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP

2008-01-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I don't disagree with this, and that is actually why I insisted on having the unicode-semantics switch from the early days of the Unicode discussions, so you can blame me, again, if you consider it a bad design decision. My take on it was that just about all ISPs would run with Unicode

Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP

2008-01-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Richard Lynch wrote: On Wed, January 23, 2008 1:28 pm, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: I don't disagree with this, and that is actually why I insisted on having the unicode-semantics switch from the early days of the Unicode discussions, so you can blame me, again, if you consider it a bad design

Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP

2008-01-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
David Zülke wrote: How about allowing bfoo in 5.3 (so people can start migrating their code early) and making unicode strings default in PHP7? :D That's been there for a very long time now. -Rasmus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP-DEV] why we must get rid of unicode.semantics switch ASAP

2008-01-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
for. -Rasmus Andrei Zmievski wrote: Did you mean to say can't make the default string IS_STRING? Because that's the only reading that makes sense given the rest of the message. -Andrei Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: If we get rid of the switch, then I agree that we can't make the default string

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] Bug #43896 htmlspecialchars returns empty stringoninvalid unicode sequence

2008-01-28 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Peter Brodersen wrote: http://php.net/xml also documents this replacement: == If PHP encounters characters in the parsed XML document that can not be represented in the chosen target encoding, the problem characters will be demoted. Currently, this means that such characters are replaced by a

Re: [PHP-DEV] nowdocs again

2008-01-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Greg Beaver wrote: Dmitry Stogov wrote: The feature is very useful, however, I agree, the syntax would be better. :) The current syntax: $var = 'TEXT' text TEXT; I would like to see nowdocs. The closest equivalent in another syntax I can think of is xml's CDATA. Perhaps we can borrow

Re: [PHP-DEV] BC break with callbacks in 5.3

2008-01-31 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Greg Beaver wrote: Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello Scott, actually it was a bug. We, sorry I, did not spot this in earlier versions. Now saying you rely on a bug in PHP 5 to be able to execute PHP 4 code simply does not work. Hi Marcus, How is forcing users to replace

Re: [PHP-DEV] ubuntu help, dl_open leaks?

2008-02-01 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Gregory Beaver wrote: Anyone have experience with this and advice on what I need to upgrade? It's normal. Create a suppression file and ignore those. eg. --gen-suppressions=yes And it isn't PHP calls leaking. It's just the way libdl does stuff. -Rasmus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

Re: [PHP-DEV] [ZEND-ENGINE-CVS] cvs: ZendEngine2(PHP_5_3) / zend_API.c zend_API.h php-src/ext/standard type.c

2008-02-01 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Cristian Rodriguez wrote: 2008/2/1, Marcus Boerger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Fix callable/static mess, the following will now all result in a E_STRICT . binding a dynamic function as a static callback . static call of a dynamic function . is_callable() on a static binding to a

Re: [PHP-DEV] get_magic_quotes_gpc, get-magic-quotes-runtime in head, get a final decision

2008-02-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Daniel Brown wrote: On Feb 5, 2008 3:26 PM, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 5, 2008 3:23 PM, Pierre Joye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It seems that there is voices in favor of keeping the GPC related functions in HEAD/php6 but returning always FALSE. Personally XX

Re: [PHP-DEV] _REQUEST and variable_order

2008-02-06 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! This topic was already discussed here but never arrived to a conclusion, so I will raise it again. The Problem: We have $_REQUEST superglobal, which is often used to abstract GET/POST requests. However, in most cases we do not want GET/POST variables to

Re: [PHP-DEV] _REQUEST and variable_order

2008-02-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Jani Taskinen wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 20:27 -0800, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! This topic was already discussed here but never arrived to a conclusion, so I will raise it again. The Problem: We have $_REQUEST superglobal, which is often used to abstract GET

Re: [PHP-DEV] _REQUEST and variable_order

2008-02-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Jani Taskinen wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 01:43 -0800, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Jani Taskinen wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 20:27 -0800, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Stanislav Malyshev wrote: The proposal(s): 1. One way to fix it is to create a new .ini request_order that would control just _REQUEST

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Traits for PHP

2008-02-18 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Larry Garfield wrote: You also note that this mechanism has no runtime impact. That's unfortunate, because I'd find the ability to add methods to an object at runtime conditionally based on some other value far more useful in my work. :-) Especially since, as above, there seems to be a

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Traits for PHP

2008-02-19 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello Stefan, any dynamic aspect of a class has brought us to problems in inheritance and required us to design the objct/compile model in a way that inheritance often is done at run time. Imo traits are a way out of this. In fact I'd love to issue a deprecated

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Traits for PHP

2008-02-21 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Richard Lynch wrote: On Mon, February 18, 2008 7:45 pm, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: The idea here is that we want to be able to cache opcodes, classes and functions and optimize them out of the runtime context so the executor can skip creating classes and functions on every single request. A lot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bug #44087

2008-02-28 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Jani is right, this is not a PHP bug. You need to configure your system correctly to make sure the libs are checked in the right order for shared libraries and also make sure that other components that rely on libxml2 aren't pulling it in from another place. PHP is not going to pull it in from 2

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.2.5 and static calls

2008-03-01 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
till wrote: Bjori just nailed it: class foo { function foo() { echo 'foo'; } } foo::foo(); It's some constructor BC thing. I didn't think any of these changes were in the 5_2 tree at all. As far as I am concerned the E_STRICT is for 5.3. We can't make a change like this in a minor

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Replace the flex-based scanner with an re2c [1] based lexer

2008-03-02 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! be much easier, switching to re2c promises a much faster lexer. Actually, without any specific re2c optimizations we already get around a 20% scanner I think 20% faster is very cool. However, as I understand re2c is not a standard tool found everywhere. So

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: How PHP utilizes the Google SoC

2008-03-04 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Philip Olson wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Google Summer of Code sponsors students to work on Open Source projects over each summer. This RFC introduces guidelines and goals involving how

Re: [PHP-DEV] Patch for opcode caches

2008-03-14 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Marcus Boerger wrote: Hello Stanislav, Friday, March 14, 2008, 5:51:49 PM, you wrote: But that means we are compiling inheritance when a file is loaded form the cache. The goal should be to compiling inheritance when writing to the opcode cache file. All we achieve here is a slow down. If

[PHP-DEV] setjmp usage

2008-03-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
We are using setjmp(__bailout) in zend_try, but setjmp behaves differently on BSD and Linux. POSIX doesn't specify whether the signal mask should be saved or not for this call, so different operating systems do different things here. I think it would be more consistent if we used

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: cvs: php-src(PHP_5_3) /main SAPI.c SAPI.h main.c php_globals.h /sapi/apache mod_php5.c ZendEngine2 zend_execute.h zend_execute_API.c

2008-03-18 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Edward Z. Yang wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: exit_on_timeout patch Hi Rasmus, I noticed that this patch modifies the Zend Engine API slightly. Does this translate into any changes that need documentation at php.net? No, I don't think so. I checked all extensions in php cvs, including

Re: [PHP-DEV] CMake SoC Proposal

2008-03-19 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Gwynne Raskind wrote: My two US cents :). On Mar 19, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Jani Taskinen wrote: Here is a quick run down of some of the features of CMake and tools associated with it: • A single configure script that would be used regardless of the OS • A much simpler scripting language m4 is

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-22 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: I see your point... but wouldn't it be better not to need that? Johannes' idea seemed good to me, always assuming it's do-able. Well, yes, it would indeed, but we have a lot of ?= templates now so either we allow ?= on no-short-tags (if XML guys out there will be OK

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Soenke Ruempler wrote: Hi Rasmus, On 03/23/2008 03:32 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: This is what the filter extension is for. You should be working with escaped data by default and only poke a hole in your data firewall in the few places where you need to work with the raw data. Doing

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Soenke Ruempler wrote: Hi Rasmus, On 03/23/2008 04:14 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: It is, but it is magic_quotes done right. You apply a really strict filter that makes your data safe for display and your backend by default. The only place you can reliably do this this is at the point

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Wietse Venema wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf: Soenke Ruempler wrote: Hi Rasmus, On 03/23/2008 03:32 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: This is what the filter extension is for. You should be working with escaped data by default and only poke a hole in your data firewall in the few places where you need

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stefan Walk wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf schrieb: It is, but it is magic_quotes done right. You apply a really strict filter that makes your data safe for display and your backend by default. The only place you can reliably do this this is at the point the data enters your system. Once

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stefan Walk wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf schrieb: The alternative of relying on the developer remembering to filter simply doesn't work. Wietse's taint mode is another approach, but it has performance implications. As I said, when the backend does the escaping, you don't have to remember

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Edward Z. Yang wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Well, I actually have years of experience taking apps and making them run under my strict default filter. And it tends to not be very many changes, if any at all. In the O'Reilly case it gets changed to O#39;Reilly which for a pure web app is fine

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stefan Walk wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf schrieb: Well, I actually have years of experience taking apps and making them run under my strict default filter. And it tends to not be very many changes, if any at all. In the O'Reilly case it gets changed to O#39;Reilly which for a pure web app is fine

Re: [PHP-DEV] short_open_tag

2008-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Edward Z. Yang wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Sure, although if you are going to store the raw, I think it is pointless to store the escaped version. Yeah, I was thinking more of escaping data that is computationally expensive; such as bbcodes or wikitext = HTML. I am not advocating storing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Inclusion of PHP LiteSpeed SAPI in the standard PHP distribution?

2008-03-24 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! I believe, besides the apache SAPI and fcgi SAPI, LiteSpeed SAPI is one of the top PHP SAPI being used in production environment. And LiteSpeed SAPI has the combination of best performance, configuration flexibility via .htaccess and enhanced security with

Re: [PHP-DEV] '1.8' == 1.8 can return false

2008-04-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
There is no bug here. Please read: http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html -Rasmus Todd Ruth wrote: I'm thinking there must be a bug in the heart of php causing this. I'll debug it, but I haven't looked at php source code in a few years and would like a tip as to which files

Re: [PHP-DEV] Return type hinting patch

2008-04-27 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Alain Williams wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 05:11:29PM -0700, Chris Stockton wrote: *cough* lambda *cough* That would be nice, but the scoping of variables in PHP doesn't seem to make that nice, the code below results in '' Undefined variable: aa '' if I take the 'global' statement out, if

Re: [PHP-DEV] Float comparison

2008-05-02 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stefan Walk wrote: And you'll quickly see that the cast to string before comparision is a bad idea, because: $ php -dprecision=1 -r 'var_dump((string)1.4 == (string)1.1);' bool(true) Having display settings affect comparisions seems like a really bad idea to me ;) Yup, it would be a fatal

Re: [PHP-DEV] [PATCH] Some string changes/optimizations

2008-05-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
A bit of a messy patch in that it doesn't have a single top-level directory, but after hacking it, it applied. For others testing this, make sure you run ext/tokenizer/tokenizer_data_gen.sh and of course genfiles with the latest re2c. I'm still not getting something that works though.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Couple Windows build fixes

2008-05-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
He never asked. Steph Fox wrote: Hi Hannes, CVS HEAD wasn't updated yet with the Windows build system because I was waiting for re2c development to settle down first, given that there was no re2c binary available that PHP could be built with at all for several weeks. But I agree with you,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Couple Windows build fixes

2008-05-08 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Matt Wilmas wrote: BTW, if I had karma for Zend stuff, I guess I could fix Bugs #44681 and #44830 You already have Zend karma. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] Curl POST emalloc leak?

2008-05-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Can someone spot why this code (tested in both 5.2.5 and 5.3) ?php function curl($post) { $ch = curl_init(); curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, www.fdhfkdsslak.bogus); curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1); if($post) { curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);

Re: [PHP-DEV] Curl POST emalloc leak?

2008-05-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Curl POST emalloc leak?

2008-05-18 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Cristian Rodríguez wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf escribió: Can someone spot why this code (tested in both 5.2.5 and 5.3) ?php function curl($post) { $ch = curl_init(); curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, www.fdhfkdsslak.bogus); curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1); if($post

Re: [PHP-DEV] Curl POST emalloc leak?

2008-05-18 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Manuel Mausz wrote: Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Note that you don't actually need to send the request. It looks like repeatedly doing: $ch = curl_init(); curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, $args); curl_close($ch); Is enough to do it. Still looking at the code. Seems like zend_llist_clean(ch

Re: [PHP-DEV] Add deg2grad() and grad2deg() in PHP5.3

2008-05-20 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I think it is a bad idea to add functions for such a trivial math operation. It's not like people who need to do this can't do it today, and people who have already written code that needs it may very well have created userspace functions with these exact names which means their code will

Re: [PHP-DEV] magic quotes finale

2008-05-22 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Lars Strojny wrote: [ forgot to sent that to the list ] Hi Philip, Am Dienstag, den 20.05.2008, 12:55 -0700 schrieb Philip Olson: [...] PHP 5.3 is approaching fast, so let's conclude our dealings with magical quotes... this should be the last time. Please have a look at the following RFC

Re: [PHP-DEV] APC doesn't work on Windows?

2008-05-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Edward Z. Yang wrote: I don't really care either way, but if it's a well known fact, might as well stop trying. Does APC work on Windows? I recently submitted a patch to fix the snaps.php.net compilation of APC, but for any non-trivial script (interestingly enough, apc.php and and phpinfo()

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]

2008-05-27 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: please add your votes I'm +1. I'm ok with it as well. Like I said over a year ago (*), it is a syntax very familiar to web developers and it feels natural to most people. (*) http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117060700805108w=2 -Rasmus -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]

2008-05-28 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Antony Dovgal wrote: On 28.05.2008 10:25, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! You do understand that you will not be able to use this syntax in your products for at least next 5 years without rising min required PHP version to the latest one, right? That makes it even more useless. That's great

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Short syntax for array literals [...]

2008-05-28 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Mike wrote: In my opinion I don't think PHP would be where it is today if it wasn't for being so easy to learn and use. I attribute this directly to the fact that it didn't use a lot of syntax sugar that is unreadable and can't be Googled for. You can't Google [], and my guess is searching

Re: [PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: baptiste750

2008-06-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Actually, checking through my group@ archive, I don't see 2 messages from you. The only one I see from you is one from June 9 complaining that your cvs account wasn't granted. I see that someone has approved your account now. -Rasmus Antony Dovgal wrote: On 11.06.2008 22:44, Baptiste

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-14 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Pierre Joye wrote: Hi Lukas, On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These extension seem widely used enough that we have to make it an effort to support them. If it is so widely used, why noone complains about this removal? Why there is nobody taking

Re: [PHP-DEV] cleaning up the functions - any volunteers?

2008-06-21 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote: On 6/22/08, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/21 Alexey Zakhlestin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did curl for 5.3 I don't have karma. You do now. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] simple solution to another namespace conundrum?

2008-06-24 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Derick Rethans wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Alexey Zakhlestin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Gregory Beaver wrote: The user is obviously intentionally creating a DateTime class, and doesn't care about the internal

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Rui, thanks for your efforts on this. And yes, it would be really good if you could encourage some people to write more tests for this feature. We were completely lost in trying to maintain compatibility with this because of the lack of tests and documentation. Now we have something to go

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch

2008-07-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Looking through the closures patch, I would tend to agree. GC has certainly caused us way more headaches in APC-land than closures will, from the looks of it. -Rasmus Dmitry Stogov wrote: I don't see big problems with closures. The patch is simple and stable. It's main part isolated in

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.4.9

2008-07-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Marcus Boerger wrote: how about this. We edit php_config.h to be version 4.4.8pl1. Then provide a patch for download. All reasonable distributions will pick up that patch anyway. But at least we didn't do a release as we promised, we wouldn't. Uh,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.4.9

2008-07-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Marcus Boerger wrote: how about this. We edit php_config.h to be version 4.4.8pl1. Then provide a patch for download. All reasonable distributions will pick up that patch anyway. But at least we didn't do a release as we promised, we wouldn't. Uh,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Zend Signal Handling

2008-07-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! I am proposing the following RFC to improve signal handling in the Zend Engine: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/zendsignals Looks good. If ti works, I don't think we need two signal models - new one would be OK. I'm not sure what happens with win32 though. Note that

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-15 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Amir Hardon wrote: I've noticed a weird behavior when doing file access from PHP: PHP seems to make an lstat call on each of the parent directories of the accessed file, for example see this script: ?php $fp=fopen(/var/www/metacafe/test,r); fclose($fp); ? When running with strace -e lstat I

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-15 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Amir Hardon wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 11:40 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Amir Hardon wrote: I've noticed a weird behavior when doing file access from PHP: PHP seems to make an lstat call on each of the parent directories of the accessed file, for example see this script: ?php $fp

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-15 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Lars Strojny wrote: Hi Rasmus, Am Dienstag, den 15.07.2008, 11:40 -0700 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf: [...] That's a realpath() call and it should be getting cached by the realpath cache, so if you are seeing these on every request, try increasing your realpath_cache size in your .ini. Without

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-16 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Arvids Godjuks wrote: Hello. I think this should be optimized. I'm not an expert ofcourse, but as I understood there is only one case witch need a special treatment - require/include _one when a file with equal contents is included from different directories. You can make a switch witch

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-16 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Amir Hardon wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 06:45 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Arvids Godjuks wrote: Hello. I think this should be optimized. I'm not an expert ofcourse, but as I understood there is only one case witch need a special treatment - require/include _one when a file

Re: [PHP-DEV] lstat call on each directory level

2008-07-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Arvids Godjuks wrote: Yesterday I made some tests on my site with strace to see how much lstat I have and how can I optimize them. Well, I managed to get rid of them almost at all, but now I have some questions about include_path and including files based on current dir. I have such structire

Re: [PHP-DEV] New string functions: str_startswith() and str_endswith()

2008-07-19 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
For the start of the string: substr($haystack,0,strlen($needle)) == $needle And for the end of the string: substr($haystack,-strlen($needle)) == $needle For case-insensitivity, just strtolower both. Writing built-in functions for something that can be done with trivial one-liners isn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] New string functions: str_startswith() and str_endswith()

2008-07-20 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I agree that many existing functions can be implemented with a combination of others, but in this case it is really just one call. The strlen() call is almost free, and in many cases you wouldn't even use it. If you are looking for .php files, for example: if(str_endswith($path,'.php'))

[PHP-DEV] Syscall Optimization

2008-07-20 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On most requests we end up with a getcwd() followed by a chdir() to the same directory and then a second chdir() to the same directory at the end of the request: getcwd(/var/www, 4095) = 14 chdir(/var/www) = 0 ... request is processed ... chdir(/var/www)

Re: [PHP-DEV] New string functions: str_startswith() and str_endswith()

2008-07-21 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Brian Moon wrote: Stan Vassilev | FM wrote: I'm particularly for begins/endswith() function as I do this all over my code and I'd appreciate the simplification and free extra performance. I really don't mean to be rude here, but shorter and less typing !== performance gain. The PHP string

[PHP-DEV] Volunteers for Subversion 1.5 conversion of cvs.php.net?

2008-07-24 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Now that Subversion 1.5 has been out for a little while and it is at the point where it might actually have some benefit to us, do we have some volunteers who have some time to try converting over the repository and all the post-commit and ACL rules from CVSROOT? Talking to people here at

Re: [PHP-DEV] Volunteers for Subversion 1.5 conversion of cvs.php.net?

2008-07-24 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Gwynne Raskind wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Now that Subversion 1.5 has been out for a little while and it is at the point where it might actually have some benefit to us, do we have some volunteers who have some time to try converting over the repository and all

Re: [PHP-DEV] CVS to SVN Migration

2008-07-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
marius popa wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Gwynne Raskind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point it's clear that moving from CVS to SVN for PHP has become a more or less official project. As such, there is a new mailing list isn't better to migrate to git or mercurial ?

Re: [PHP-DEV] CVS to SVN Migration

2008-07-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: The git and hg integration with svn is also good so any developer who prefers to have a local repository can very easily use either git or hg and easily merge into the central svn repository. However I think we should provide the infrastructure for developers to setup

Re: [PHP-DEV] GSoC Update (XDebug project)

2008-07-27 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Chung-Yang(Kenneth) Lee wrote: Most of the functionalities were done. Users can now upload a file to get parsed and visualized from the interface. After the file is parsed, the interface will display information like function names, total self cost in ms and by percentage, invocation count. The

[PHP-DEV] PEAR Build fix

2008-07-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Could someone please fix this: Generating phar.php Generating phar.phar Pear package PHP_Archive found: API Version: 1.0.0 (stable). Pear package PHP_Archive or Archive.php class file not found. clicommand.inc directorygraphiterator.inc directorytreeiterator.inc invertedregexiterator.inc

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Zend Signal Handling

2008-07-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Dmitry Stogov wrote: I see several issues with the patch 1) It assumes that web server (and webserver extensions) won't setup any signal handlers after PHP startup. This assumption may be wrong. It may be. But there is really no way around that. That's why we talked about having an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Making PHP upload hooks available through session variables?

2008-07-31 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Johannes Schlüter wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:46 -0700, Tore B. Krudtaa wrote: As most of you probably know Rasmus Lerdorf made som upload hooks available in PHP 5.2 some long time back. This was great news for those that wanted more control of uploads and/or wanted to give real time

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php-src(PHP_5_3) / NEWS

2008-08-03 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Jani Taskinen wrote: -- Changed PCRE, Reflection and SPL extensions to always be enabled. (Marcus) +- Changed PCRE, Reflection and SPL extensions to be always enabled. (Marcus) That was amazingly pedantic, even for you Jani. Captain Kirk blasted away the split infinitive rule when he decided

[PHP-DEV] clearstatcache change

2008-08-06 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I think we either need to make clearstatcache() not affect the realpath cache, or we should add an optional argument to it to specify whether or not the realpath cache should be cleared as well. The realpath cache makes a huge difference on includes and having the cache blown away by a script

Re: [PHP-DEV] clearstatcache change

2008-08-06 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Johannes Schlüter wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 21:00 +0200, Arnaud Le Blanc wrote: btw. I just noticed chroot() calls this realpath_cache_clean()..intentional? I'd assume that, as /foo inside a chroot is different from /foo outside... Also some streams stuff uses the

Re: [PHP-DEV] include bug in 5.3

2008-08-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Christian Stocker wrote: Hi Since quite some time (weeks), I have this very strange and annoying include bug in 5.3-dev and now I think is the time to report it :) The reproducable script is here: http://trash.chregu.tv/include-bug.php.txt In short, when I have foo/alpha (empty)

Re: [PHP-DEV] include bug in 5.3

2008-08-07 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Felipe Pena wrote: Em Qui, 2008-08-07 às 20:55 +0200, Hannes Magnusson escreveu: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 20:20, Rasmus Lerdorf[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Stocker wrote: Hi Since quite some time (weeks), I have this very strange and annoying include bug in 5.3-dev and now I think

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