Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

"Thomas Punt" wrote in message news:am4pr0901mb1265e675e7965065989892e5f9...@am4pr0901mb1265.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com... Hi! Hi, This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users tonymars...@hotmail.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

Hi! > You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me > from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning > or suspending me you are effectively banning the right to free speech. This has nothing to do with free speech. You are welcome to exercise your

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

Hey Michael, I don't think the BC break is acceptable. You argue that scalar type declarations are relatively new, but in fact they're already years old now. They're used in most PHP 7+ packages. Even if changing types might be discouraged, it still happens a lot. Regards, Niklas

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:50 AM, Niklas Keller wrote: > Hey Michael, > > I don't think the BC break is acceptable. You argue that scalar type > declarations are relatively new, but in fact they're already years old now. > They're used in most PHP 7+ packages. Even if changing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

"Stanislav Malyshev" wrote in message news:cc1f4670-d201-5a06-7309-a2386f819...@gmail.com... Hi! You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning or suspending me you are effectively banning the right

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct -- which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a fiery debate (to put it mildly) and was eventually withdrawn (http://news.php.net/php.internals/90726). The dominant objections to the CoC

[PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

Ok, both have been added to the ezmlm deny list for internals On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:49 AM, Nikita Popov wrote: > Hi, > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: >> >> I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the proposed >> suspension as long as the suspension for a set amount of time; I >> believe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote: > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > >> > >> I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

Am 03.01.18 um 10:55 schrieb Sanford Whiteman: > Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct -- > which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a > fiery debate (to put it mildly) and was eventually withdrawn >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Di, 2018-01-02 at 11:49 +0100, Nikita Popov wrote: > li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing  He was blocked in 2012 already: https://externals.io/message/59395#59421 johannes -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

Hi, On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler wrote: > > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed > filtering were expensive or hard to find. They aren’t, though. Pretty much > every email client not only allows filtering, but rather

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > Hi Michael, > > On 02/01/2018 10:35, Michael Morris wrote: > >> I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a >> manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior >>

Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

Second Draft based on the feedback upstream. Target version: PHP 8. This is a proposal to strengthen the dynamic type checking of PHP during development. Note - this is not a proposal to change PHP to a statically typed language or to remove PHP's current loose typing rules. PHP is a weakly

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

This proposal contains some interesting ideas, which I see as separate: 1. A syntax to declare the type of local variables. 2. A syntax to declare the type of object properties. 3. Preventing local variables, object properties and parameters to change their type after initialization/declaration.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler > wrote: > > > > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed > > filtering were expensive or hard to find. They

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On 3 Jan 2018 18:13, "Chase Peeler" wrote: On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler > wrote: > > > > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

What personal attack did I make? I asked a serious question. The fact that you could even take a serious question and interpret it as a personal attack is exactly why I am very wary of any attempts to suspend users. It's too easy to misunderstand what someone says. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM Michael Morris wrote: > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote: > > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Andreas Hennings wrote: > Another idea I have when reading this proposal is "implicit" typing > based on the initialization. > > E.g. > > $x = 5; > $x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as integer, and cannot > hold a string. > > No,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler wrote: > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote: > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

Another idea I have when reading this proposal is "implicit" typing based on the initialization. E.g. $x = 5; $x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as integer, and cannot hold a string. or $x = $a + $b; $x = 'hello'; // -> Error: $x was initialized as number (int|float), and cannot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On 3 January 2018 at 15:49, Paul Jones wrote: > > I am not in favor of anyone else deciding for me that I am not allowed to > see Tony's (or anyone else's) messages on this list. I can make that > decision myself, and revisit that decision myself should I choose. > > If

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Andreas Hennings wrote: > This proposal contains some interesting ideas, which I see as separate: > 1. A syntax to declare the type of local variables. > 2. A syntax to declare the type of object properties. > 3. Preventing local variables,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On 3 January 2018 at 17:28, Chase Peeler wrote: > I think self moderation still solves this. If the person is disruptive > enough, eventually enough people will block them and there won't be many > instances of them getting quoted or poisoning the thread. > > If certain

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Di, 2018-01-02 at 11:49 +0100, Nikita Popov wrote: >> li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been >> aggressively derailing > > He was blocked in 2012 already: > > https://externals.io/message/59395#59421 I hadn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59, Joe Watkins wrote: > > Let's remember that there are a large number of people on the sidelines that > are not subscribed to the list directly, but choose to use news readers, or > the excellent externals.io; They may not able to filter

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

Hi, On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:16 AM Andrey Andreev wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Chase Peeler >> wrote: >> > >> > I agree with Paul. It would be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Joe Watkins wrote: > > The precedent has been set already: One of these users was already kicked > off the list and decided to resubscribe and continue to conduct themselves > in an unacceptable manner. > > This is a forum for technical

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

+1 It's true that everyone can setup their own filters, but why should they have too. You don't get to conduct yourself however you want without consequence. Cheers Joe On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 3 January 2018 at 17:28, Chase Peeler

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:35, Joe Watkins wrote: > > You don't get to conduct yourself however you want without consequence. Sure. The question then, is, what is the proper consequence? I hold that it is not "banning" or "suspension" (which may or may not actually be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

The precedent has been set already: One of these users was already kicked off the list and decided to resubscribe and continue to conduct themselves in an unacceptable manner. This is a forum for technical discussion regarding the development of PHP: We must be able to keep conversation focused

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

Hi Michael, On 02/01/2018 10:35, Michael Morris wrote: I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior change with PHP 7 type declarations). As I don't have access to the add RFC's to the wiki I'll

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 11:17:53 AM CST Michael Morris wrote: > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones wrote: > > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler wrote: