> -Original Message-
> From: Jordi Boggiano [mailto:j.boggi...@seld.be]
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> On 07/02/2015 01:08, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> > On 02/06/2015 10:22 PM, Nikita Popov wrote
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:50 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Jordi Boggiano; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> Zeev,
>
> > On 8 Feb 20
FWIW, while I think strict types - stricter than even strict languages -
don't belong in PHP, this syntax is clearly a step up from declare(), which
was definitely not intended for this purpose.
Zeev
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
> Sent: Sunday, February
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Leverton [mailto:lever...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 11:17 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Jordi Boggiano; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:48
> So, controversy is where a lot of people disagree - and there were
> numerous
> people in the original thread who disagreed with the RFC and preferred
> strict
> types. I actually tallied them in a reply to Zeev (which I later quoted in
> a reply
> to Andi). There were almost as many people again
> On 9 בפבר׳ 2015, at 01:45, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> Hi Zeev,
>
>> On 8 Feb 2015, at 23:24, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>>
>> It's not stretching the truth or even slightly bending it, considering the
>> RFC currently being voted on is a superset of that RF
> On 9 בפבר׳ 2015, at 02:04, Jordi Boggiano wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2015 23:24, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>> There's zero or virtually zero controversy surrounding the weak typing RFC,
>> the one that was v0.1. The controversy wasn't (and isn't) about what was in
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:44 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Jordi Boggiano; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> Hi,
>
> > On 9 Feb 20
> -Original Message-
> From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:ras...@lerdorf.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 8:37 AM
> To: Xinchen Hui; Andrea Faulds
> Cc: PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> On 02/10/2015 07:57 PM, Xinchen Hui wrote:
> >> am I wrong?!
> > se
Faulds
*Cc:* Zeev Suraski; Rasmus Lerdorf; PHP Internals
*Subject:* Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
Hi all,
@Zeev and @Rasmus:
Seriously, you both mentioned that consider the idea of scalar type hint,
but I've never seen which idea would you consider.
Andrea built a very flexible w
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian B.-Hagensen [mailto:sbj.ml.r...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:11 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: guilhermebla...@gmail.com; Rasmus Lerdorf; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> Hi,
> @Zeev: I don't like being used, singling out only my blog post because it
> proves your opinion, where clearly there were other posts in favour of
> strict
> mode typing, for exampl e ircmaxell his.
Benjamin,
As we discussed in personal exchanges, I really don't think I 'used' you and
it certai
> From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:45 PM
> To: Pavel Kouřil
> Cc: guilhermebla...@gmail.com; Zeev Suraski; Rasmus Lerdorf; PHP
> Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> Hi,
>
> > On 12 Feb 20
> On 13 בפבר׳ 2015, at 13:13, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> On 13 Feb 2015, at 09:37, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
>>
>> Voted "no" because of the reasons already mentioned by a bunch of others
>> here.
>>
>> Weak type hint as presented earlier: +1 (and very good job Andrea about
>> that!).
> With that said, there's nothing stopping you from putting up your time to
> create a competing proposal and patch. If you really believe that weak
> types
> are the better way forward, why not codify that? If only one of the RFCs
> passes, then you have your answer. If both pass, we can simply ha
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:34 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
>
> Zeev,
>
> You said you disagreed with my post (me
> -Original Message-
> From: yohg...@gmail.com [mailto:yohg...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Yasuo
> Ohgaki
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:45 AM
> To: Joe Watkins
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Expectations
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Joe Watkins
> w
> -Original Message-
> From: rdlow...@gmail.com [mailto:rdlow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Daniel Lowrey
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:13 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: I quit.
>
> > The 0.1 RFC version was mentioned a lot as a good compromise by many
> > pe
> -Original Message-
> From: p...@golemon.com [mailto:p...@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara
> Golemon
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:58 AM
> To: franc...@php.net
> Cc: Philip Sturgeon; Arvids Godjuks; Jefferson Gonzalez; Rowan Collins;
> PHP
> internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving
In a word, yes. Have to say you're abilities to compile Zeev -> formal
declaration are pretty amazing :)
Zeev
> On 17 בפבר׳ 2015, at 08:20, Sara Golemon wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>> That syntax poll aside, I had w
> -Original Message-
> From: François Laupretre [mailto:franc...@php.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:58 PM
> To: 'Sara Golemon'; 'Zeev Suraski'
> Cc: 'PHP internals'
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Andreev [mailto:n...@devilix.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:49 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: franc...@php.net; Sara Golemon; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue,
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:48 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: franc...@php.net; Sara Golemon; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> Zeev et al,
>
> On 17 בפבר׳ 2015, at 18:32, Andrey Andreev wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>>
>> If it gave both sides exactly what they wanted, how come it generated so
>> much objection?
>>
>> Simply put, because
> Yes, I already know that.
> The difference, and why I keep pointing that out, is that me and many
> others
> want strict typing for our own reasons (but still in its entirety instead
> of as a
> limited mode) and most of us don't even care if you getting weak typing
> for
> your own usage. You ca
> -Original Message-
> From: Nikita Popov [mailto:nikita@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 3:06 AM
> To: Rasmus Lerdorf
> Cc: Sara Golemon; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar Type Hints v0.4
>
> The inability to implicitly cast "123" to int is pretty much the KE
> Consider the following signature:
>
> function foo(int $bar) {}
>
> In the case of a *string* representation of a hexadecimal number, the
> following would error only on the last iteration with a weak hint, and on
> the
> very first if it was a strict hint:
>
> for ($i = 0; $i < 11; $i++)
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Stoll [mailto:p...@tutteli.ch]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:14 PM
> To: 'Zeev Suraski'; 'Nikita Popov'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf'
> Cc: 'Sara Golemon'; 'PHP internals'
> Subject: AW:
> -Original Message-
> From: Pádraic Brady [mailto:padraic.br...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:50 PM
> To: Andrey Andreev
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Nikita Popov; Rasmus Lerdorf; Sara Golemon; PHP
> internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar Type Hints v0
> On 18 בפבר׳ 2015, at 19:50, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> On 02/18/2015 08:51 AM, François Laupretre wrote:
>>> De : Pádraic Brady [mailto:padraic.br...@gmail.com]
>>>
>>> Careful, it helps not to call folk "radicals" if you intend to pursue
>>> a compromise with them ;).
>>
>> Sorry, english is
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Garfield [mailto:la...@garfieldtech.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:00 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> On 02/17/2015 01:30 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >> Yes,
> -Original Message-
> From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:24 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> On 19/02/15 09:13, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > Obviously, I thin
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:24 PM
> To: franc...@php.net
> Cc: Lester Caine; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> Let me quote something
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:04 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> Zeev,
&g
> -Original Message-
> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:09 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Anthony Ferrara; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:24 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> Ze
> -Original Message-
> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:52 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 20
On 19 בפבר׳ 2015, at 22:08, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
>
> Zeev,
>
> Based on Sara's clarification in this thread, I owe you a formal
> apology. I interpreted something she said incorrectly, which was then
> compounded by messages in private and on-list this morning. I then
> attributed both of you
Bishop,
Pardon me for saying so, but I don't think you're on to a huge scoop here.
Scalar type hints - of all the kinds we've been talking about here, be them
strict, weak or coercive - can be easily emulated with a couple of lines of
code, we all know that. It's been known for years that strict
> On 20 בפבר׳ 2015, at 16:55, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
>
> verification and static analysis aren't enough?
>
Anthony,
While IMHO they're not enough to warrant substantial deviation from PHP's
behavior, this is a subjective question that others might answer differently.
But there's also an obj
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:36 AM
> To: Larry Garfield
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> Larry,
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Larry Garfield
> wrot
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:23 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Larry Garfield; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>
> I'm fine with that. M
All,
I’ve been working with François and several other people from internals@
and the PHP community to create a single-mode Scalar Type Hints proposal.
I think it’s the RFC is a bit premature and could benefit from a bit more
time, but given the time pressure, as well as the fact that a not f
[Resending with the correct Subject line :)]
---
All,
I’ve been working with François and several other people from internals@
and the PHP community to create a single-mode Scalar Type Hints proposal.
I think it’s the RFC is a bit premature and could benefit from a bit more
time, but given
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Zeev,
>
> First off, thanks for putt
Sorry for the previous prematurely sent email, looks like I found a new
keyboard shortcut :)
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:12 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re:
> -Original Message-
> From: Pádraic Brady [mailto:padraic.br...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Anthony Ferrara; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
>
> The sentence stresses gar
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:08 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Zeev,
>
> I won't nit-pick every poin
Márcio,
I hope to be able to work on an actual implementation and have something by
the end of the upcoming week, allowing us all to experiment.
Other than tweaking the conversion table, which based on the feedbacks I *
*believe** can be done in a way everyone can live with – I agree that the
b
Benjamin,
There’s a fundamental difference between the two RFCs that goes beyond
whether using a global INI setting and the other per-file setting. The
fundamental difference is that the endgame of the Dual Mode RFC is having
two modes – and whatever syntax we’ll add, will be with us forever;
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:25 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Zeev,
>
>
> "with two potential
On 22 בפבר׳ 2015, at 02:07, François Laupretre wrote:
>> De : Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
>>
>> Fixed length fields may well be a data source so having to strip them
>> before using them just seems a backward step. The basic C library simply
>> strips the white space so are we loo
From: Etienne Kneuss [mailto:col...@php.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:00 PM
To: Anthony Ferrara; Zeev Suraski
Cc: PHP internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
> The question is rather: at what weight should we take (potential/future)
> external tools into a
> -Original Message-
> From: Jefferson Gonzalez [mailto:jgm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: Etienne Kneuss; Anthony Ferrara; Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
Jefferson,
Please n
rson Gonzalez
> Cc: Etienne Kneuss; Anthony Ferrara; Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> > 1. Does weak mode could provide the required rules to implement a JIT
> with a sane level of memory and CPU usage?
>
>
>
> Ther
> -Original Message-
> From: Jefferson González [mailto:jgm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:59 PM
> To: Stanislav Malyshev
> Cc: Etienne Kneuss; Anthony Ferrara; Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
&
Anthony,
I started writing this long response, but instead, I want to localize the
whole discussion to the one true root difference. Your position on that
difference is the basis for your entire case, and my position on this
argument is the base for my entire case.
There we go:
> And note that
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:35 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Zeev,
>
> &g
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:25 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Ze'ev,
It
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:02 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Zeev,
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:21 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Zeev,
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jefferson Gonzalez [mailto:jgm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:58 AM
> To: Stanislav Malyshev; Anthony Ferrara
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jefferson Gonzalez; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:43 AM
> To: Stanislav Malyshev
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jefferson Gonzalez; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hin
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:38 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Well, yes and no.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Watkins [mailto:pthre...@pthreads.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:03 AM
> To: Jefferson Gonzalez
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Watkins [mailto:pthre...@pthreads.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:29 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Zeev,
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pavel Kouřil [mailto:pajou...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:49 AM
> To: Joe Watkins
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> On Mon, Fe
> -Original Message-
> From: Dmitry Stogov [mailto:dmi...@zend.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:54 PM
> To: Joe Watkins
> Cc: Etienne Kneuss; Jefferson Gonzalez; PHP internals; Anthony Ferrara;
> Zeev
> Suraski
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:14 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Joe Watkins; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JIT (was RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints
> RFC)
>
> Zeev,
&
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Eberlei [mailto:kont...@beberlei.de]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:54 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Zeev,
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Eberlei [mailto:kont...@beberlei.de]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:20 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Just disabling E_DEPRECATED is hiding bu
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Eberlei [mailto:kont...@beberlei.de]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:35 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Zeev
v0.24 now focuses on one migration strategy – E_DEPRECATED for PHP 7.x, and
E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR (or likely exceptions) for PHP 8.x and later.
wiki.php.net/rfc/coercive_sth
We’ll update the implementation accordingly, and hopefully be able to start
testing to see how bad of a breakage we’re se
on apps to work, after we tweak the rules - I'll either retract
the RFC or the very least rethink the internal functions part of it.
Zeev
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:25 AM
> To: Zeev Sur
> -Original Message-
> From: Rowan Collins [mailto:rowan.coll...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:48 AM
> To: Pierre Joye; Anthony Ferrara
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> On 22 February 2015 23:56:18 GMT, Pierre Joye
> wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:12 AM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC
>
> Well, I am concerned at this error rate we'
> -Original Message-
> From: François Laupretre [mailto:franc...@php.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:20 AM
> To: 'Pierre Joye'
> Cc: 'Yasuo Ohgaki'; 'Zeev Suraski'; 'Anthony Ferrara'; 'PHP internals'
> Subj
> -Original Message> From: Leigh [mailto:lei...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:56 PM
> To: Albert Casademont Filella
> Cc: Benjamin Eberlei; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The Game Theory of Scalar Type Hint Voting
>
> On 23 February 2015 at 21:15, Albert Casademont
> -Original Message-
> From: Shashank Kumar [mailto:shashankkumar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:54 PM
> To: Dmitry Stogov
> Cc: Anthony Ferrara; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC-Discuss] Scalar Type Declarations v0.5
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 a
> -Original Message-
> From: Theodore Brown [mailto:theodor...@outlook.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:29 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspective on scalar type
declarations
>
> I am a full-time PHP developer responsible for maintaining
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Ackroyd [mailto:dan...@basereality.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:49 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Theodore Brown; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspective on scalar type
> declarations
&g
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:29 PM
> To: Mike Willbanks
> Cc: Dan Ackroyd; Zeev Suraski; Theodore Brown; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspect
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:54 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Mike Willbanks; Dan Ackroyd; Theodore Brown; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspect
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Willbanks [mailto:pen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:46 PM
> To: Anthony Ferrara
> Cc: Dan Ackroyd; Zeev Suraski; Theodore Brown; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspect
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:24 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspective on scalar type
> declarations
>
> Zeev,
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Willbanks [mailto:pen...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:43 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A different user perspective on scalar type
> declarations
>
> Here is the most
> Yes, the database use case and exterior data has been my main concern over
> the type hint proposals. Now, this could also be changed (fixed, etc) on
> a
> different layer (aka database extensions to deal with native types) but
> that is
> likely far more to bite off than one would want at this
All,
We've been working in the last few days to test and tune the Coercive STH
patch. I think the results are quite nice, and surprisingly better than
one might have expected.
Before diving into the results, we did update the RFC
(wiki.php.net/rfc/coercive_sth) - with the most notable differenc
> with the most notable difference being
> allowing NULL->scalar conversions
Forgot to clarify - this is only for calls to internal functions.
Userland type hints don't accept NULL->scalar conversions.
Zeev
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> How many deprecations do you get running the ZF2 and Symfony testsuites?
None, but it may have to do with the fact I haven't run them yet :)
Zeev
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> - PHPUnit passes a boolean false to `debug_backtrace()`... which is
> documented
> as expecting an integer! (There are actually several constant values it
> accepts, all of which are integer values.) In this case, PHPUnit is
> relying
> on the fact that the engine casts booleans to the inte
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Eberlei [mailto:kont...@beberlei.de]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:19 PM
> To: Dmitry Stogov
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive STH - some real world tests and updated
> RFC
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dmitry Stogov [mailto:dmi...@zend.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:31 PM
> To: Anthony Ferrara
> Cc: Jordi Boggiano; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Anthony Ferrara
> wrote:
>
> > Dmi
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:21 PM
> To: Dmitry Stogov
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jordi Boggiano; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
>
> Dmitry,
>
> &g
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:36 PM
> To: Dmitry Stogov
> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jordi Boggiano; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
>
> And looking at the code
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:54 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Dmitry Stogov; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
>
> Zeev,
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 a
> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Punt [mailto:tp...@hotmail.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski; PHP internals
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive STH - some real world tests and updated
> RFC
>
> Hey Zeev,
>
> > Another chang
> -Original Message-
> From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:31 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive STH - some real world tests and updated
> RFC
>
> Andrea's post highlights the fact that we did try a fix when PHP5 c
> -Original Message-
> From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:10 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive STH - some real world tests and updated
> RFC
>
> On 02/03/15 09:47,
All,
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/array-to-string (which I voted yes to) deviates
from our guidelines of deprecating features first, and removing them
later; It’s addressed in the RFC – but I’m a bit worried that this opens
the door to jumping from any sort of notice/warning into errors or removed
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