Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 05.04.2018 at 00:12, Rowan Collins wrote:

> On 4 April 2018 22:44:56 BST, "Christoph M. Becker"  wrote:
>
>> While I most certainly don't like the sometimes explicit and/or
>> aggressive language used by Harald, I consider him a valuable bug
>> reporter nonetheless[1].
>>
>> [1]
>> 
> 
> I just sorted that list by status, and of 111 bugs, 27 are closed as "not a 
> bug", 6 "won't fix", and 2 were detected as spam, including one with the 
> intriguing title "   PHP >= 5.6.0 is broken by definition".

However, 27 reports have been closed (I'm assuming they have been valid
and have been resolved), a few are analyzed or assigned, and there are a
lot of still open tickets, which may be valid or not.

> There may be some genuinely useful reports in there, and even some of the 
> not-a-bugs might not be awful, but is it really a list we can't do without, 
> for the sake of not scaring everyone else away?

Indeed, that is the question!  (A follow-up question might be how to
block somebody from the bugtracker, since to my knowledge one could
state basically arbitrary email addresses).

Quoting spam2 at rhsoft dot net from :

| […] but i prefer the Torvalds style

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. :)

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Rowan Collins
On 4 April 2018 22:44:56 BST, "Christoph M. Becker"  wrote:
>While I most certainly don't like the sometimes explicit and/or
>aggressive language used by Harald, I consider him a valuable bug
>reporter nonetheless[1].
>
>[1]
>

I just sorted that list by status, and of 111 bugs, 27 are closed as "not a 
bug", 6 "won't fix", and 2 were detected as spam, including one with the 
intriguing title " PHP >= 5.6.0 is broken by definition".

There may be some genuinely useful reports in there, and even some of the 
not-a-bugs might not be awful, but is it really a list we can't do without, for 
the sake of not scaring everyone else away?

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Rowan Collins
On 4 April 2018 22:44:56 BST, "Christoph M. Becker"  wrote:
>On 04.04.2018 at 20:47, Pieter Hordijk wrote:
>
>>> "rhsoft" continues their aggressive behaviour on the bug tracker
>still
>>> too. One recent illustration is
>>> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=76184=1
>>>
>>> Do we have any methods to ban people from there too?
>
>> Yes please.
>> 
>> I have seen only crap behavior on the bug tracker by rhsoft.
>
>Well, then have a look at , for instance.
>:)
>
>While I most certainly don't like the sometimes explicit and/or
>aggressive language used by Harald, I consider him a valuable bug
>reporter nonetheless.

At some point, you have to weigh the harm to the community of letting him 
represent us to others against the benefit he brings. On the bug above he has 
just described himself as "preferring the Torvalds style"; accepting his 
contributions means accepting that as a legitimate approach to discussion, and 
I don't think that's a road we want to go down.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 04.04.2018 at 20:47, Pieter Hordijk wrote:

>> "rhsoft" continues their aggressive behaviour on the bug tracker still
>> too. One recent illustration is
>> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=76184=1
>>
>> Do we have any methods to ban people from there too?

> Yes please.
> 
> I have seen only crap behavior on the bug tracker by rhsoft.

Well, then have a look at , for instance. :)

While I most certainly don't like the sometimes explicit and/or
aggressive language used by Harald, I consider him a valuable bug
reporter nonetheless[1].

[1]


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Midori Koçak
+1

This kind of language shouldn't be allowed here.

On 4 April 2018 at 20:42, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> "rhsoft" continues their aggressive behaviour on the bug tracker still
> too. One recent illustration is
> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=76184=1
>
> Do we have any methods to ban people from there too?
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > Ok, both have been added to the ezmlm deny list for internals
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:49 AM, Nikita Popov 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing
> list.
> > >
> > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users
> > > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been
> > > aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite
> requests to
> > > moderate their participation both in that thread, and on a number of
> > > previous instances -- this is certainly not the first time these two
> users
> > > have converted an RFC discussion into a dick measuring contest.
> > >
> > > If these users cannot be suspended, I would like to request specific
> > > instructions under what circumstances users can be suspended from the
> > > internals list, and what procedures need to be followed to achieve
> this.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Nikita
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi Derick

2018-04-04 20:42 GMT+02:00 Derick Rethans :
> Hi,
>
> "rhsoft" continues their aggressive behaviour on the bug tracker still
> too. One recent illustration is
> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=76184=1
>
> Do we have any methods to ban people from there too?

Sadly we do not as far as I'm aware of, the best thing we could do is
to add rhsoft or similar to the spam keywords, but even that is easily
bypassable.


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-04-04 Thread Pieter Hordijk
> Hi,
> 
> "rhsoft" continues their aggressive behaviour on the bug tracker still
> too. One recent illustration is
> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=76184=1
> 
> Do we have any methods to ban people from there too?
> 
> cheers,
> Derick
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> 
>> Ok, both have been added to the ezmlm deny list for internals
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:49 AM, Nikita Popov  wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list.
>> >
>> > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users
>> > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been
>> > aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite requests to
>> > moderate their participation both in that thread, and on a number of
>> > previous instances -- this is certainly not the first time these two users
>> > have converted an RFC discussion into a dick measuring contest.
>> >
>> > If these users cannot be suspended, I would like to request specific
>> > instructions under what circumstances users can be suspended from the
>> > internals list, and what procedures need to be followed to achieve this.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Nikita
>> >
>> 

Yes please.

I have seen only crap behavior on the bug tracker by rhsoft.

Pieter


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Morris
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Jan 2018, Nikita Popov wrote:
>
> > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing
> > list.
> >
> > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users
> > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been
> > aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite
> > requests to moderate their participation both in that thread, and on a
> > number of previous instances -- this is certainly not the first time
> > these two users have converted an RFC discussion into a dick measuring
> > contest.
>
> +1
>
> > If these users cannot be suspended, I would like to request specific
> > instructions under what circumstances users can be suspended from the
> > internals list, and what procedures need to be followed to achieve
> > this.
>
> I tried to write these down as part of the community health project, but
> as you know that didn't get anywhere...:
> https://github.com/derickr/php-community-health/blob/master/RFC.rst
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
>
>
+1

For What It's Worth, these two are the only two I've put on killfile here.
I'm probably not the only one to do so either.